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#329229 - 22/03/08 07:32 AM
Re: 2012 EGG D-DAY
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DEAN C
Ultimate Carp Nutrition Guru
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Registered: 05/02/06
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Fcuk me,i didnt know lions could lay eggs 
Imagine the flavour bottles instructions......add 1 litre of flavour to each lion egg......
Pete,go get me a lion mate,you can keep it at yours tho fella cos youve got a bigger garden!!!!!
Regards,Dean 
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#329236 - 22/03/08 02:13 PM
Re: 2012 EGG D-DAY
[Re: DEAN C]
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andy jack
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#329240 - 22/03/08 03:38 PM
Re: 2012 EGG D-DAY
[Re: andy jack]
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nick27g
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I know the thread is mainly about the price of eggs but there is a bigger picture here that could end up being very relevant to us anglers. Extremists and animal rights activists set the ball rolling one or two celebs jump on the band wagon and before you know it people who really couldn't care one way or another have an opinion based solely upon a one sided trendy argument. It happened with hunting and its happening with the battery farming of chickens. There are other examples of minority groups swaying the opinion of the government, that are not quite as relevant but just as alarming. For example the chancellor in his latest budget delayed the increase in petrol prices he had promised environmental groups. What do you think the MAJORITY want, how many people do you know who are happy to pay through the nose for the privilege of being a motorist? Yet the government are happy to appease/promise minority groups if it suits.  So what is the bigger picture that could be relevant to us as anglers? Chickens are being given the rights to almost holiday camp comfort yet as an animal they are not much more advanced than fish. If an animal as dumb as a chicken is being afforded rights, it creates a very disturbing precedent that could come back and seriously bite us on the bum. So as an angler before you start banging the animal rights drum, consider long and hard that you could be pulling at a tiny thread which could eventually contribute towards the very fabric of our sport unravelling.  Alarmist? I don’t think so, every such decision is a victory for animal rights activists. With each victory a topic is crossed off their list. A list which undoubtedly includes angling as a target. Make no mistake about it, each victory brings angling closer to the top of that list, and given the current trend our demise. 
Andy,
The Banning of Hunting was definitley down to Tree Huggers, and Animal Rights activists, and it has taken away Rights that many of us hold dear and a Pursuit that has been a right of many for a long time (Centuries).
The Smoking Ban, a pointless exercise to Censor our Freedom of rights again.
As for the Chancellor and his Petrol Prices, in many cases a fair amount of the problems could be solved by a simple solution, a problem that Particular Iron Lady created by Privatisation. If we re-nationalised and co-ordinated Public Transport and made it affordable for all then we would not need so many cars on the road. Oops, better stop here before I get on my "Socialist" Soapbox
The problem will all of this is that there are those that will disagree with both sides of the argument, and at some point we will have to look at Food Production in all aspects of Life. We have many companies who want us to be eating "their" foods, all processed "Junk". We hardly produce many meals in our own kitchens compared to what we used to, most is Microwaved Ready Meals, or we eat MaccyD's etc.
While I agree that people jump on the Bandwagon for many wrong reasons, at the same time we must also consider Health and Welfare of the creatures we farm for Food supplies.
Now not wishing to disagree, or if I have, prefer to debate with sense with your principles and beliefs I will argue that a healthy "free" chicken will live longer and have a more productive lifespan than a Battery Hen. As a result the egg producing lifespan will also be longer.
Now to take back the Egg Issue and the Ready Meals is it a case that some of this is by International Manufacturers wanting us to eat even more Ready Made Junk by limiting what we can buy fresh?  
Edited by nick27g (22/03/08 03:39 PM)
Edit Reason: error
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#329262 - 23/03/08 11:07 AM
Re: 2012 EGG D-DAY
[Re: andy jack]
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nick27g
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Registered: 14/02/08
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Now not wishing to disagree, or if I have, prefer to debate with sense with your principles and beliefs I will argue that a healthy "free" chicken will live longer and have a more productive lifespan than a Battery Hen. As a result the egg producing lifespan will also be longer. I am not really in a position dispute your claim one way or another but battery farming must be more cost effective or we would not be having this debate. Knowing this, how relevant is the lifespan of a bird that is doomed from conception? There is no getting away from the fact that you get more cluck for your buck from battery chickens. 
Not strictly true.
Battery hens are most likely to pass on Salmonella to humans than Farm Fresh, and also because many Battery hens are given antibiotics also increasing the resistance of certain bugs to antibiotics. This includes the resistance in Humans.
Also Battery Production has been responsible for increased lack of care towards hte Hens as less workers are required. The Hen's welfare suffers as a result.
Life is so strenuous in the cages that 25 percent of the hens die or are "culled" during an average eighteen-month laying cycle; under natural conditions chickens can live as long as fifteen to twenty years; in the modern egg factory, however, hens last only about a year and a half;
The European Union has passed laws declaring that no new battery cages may be installed after 2003 and that by 2013, all hens must have at least 750 sq. cm of floor space, a perch, a nest and litter provided; that many EU nations have even gone above and beyond the law by setting even stricter standards: Germany has stepped up its national deadline to 2007, while all of Switzerland's laying hens have been provided with nests and perches under law since 1992.
America and Canada are starting to discover, and research how little benefit Battery hen Farming is, in line with EU practices, that have already discovered this.
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#329265 - 23/03/08 11:34 AM
Re: 2012 EGG D-DAY
[Re: nick27g]
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DEAN C
Ultimate Carp Nutrition Guru
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Registered: 05/02/06
Posts: 699
Loc: KENT
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Tell you what, you two thrash out the welfare of chickens and i will start another thread on effective egg alternatives in carp baits........ 
Andy,for someone who would rather worry about whether or not to have a nan bread with his meal,you aint doing bad on this subject matey
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