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#328870 - 16/03/08 12:35 PM could this work?
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ok,before anyone starts,i'm not sure if this could even be feasible in making bait!i was watching a programme and it talked about making amino acids through this experiment performed by stan miller in 1953

The experiment used water (H2O), methane (CH4), ammonia (NH3) and hydrogen (H2). The chemicals were all sealed inside a sterile array of glass tubes and flasks connected together in a loop, with one flask half-full of liquid water and another flask containing a pair of electrodes. The liquid water was heated to induce evaporation, sparks were fired between the electrodes to simulate lightning through the atmosphere and water vapor, and then the atmosphere was cooled again so that the water could condense and trickle back into the first flask in a continuous cycle.

At the end of one week of continuous operation Miller and Urey observed that as much as 10-15% of the carbon within the system was now in the form of organic compounds. Two percent of the carbon had formed amino acids, including 13 of the 22 that are used to make proteins in living cells, with glycine as the most abundant. Sugars, lipids, and some of the building blocks for nucleic acids were also formed. Nucleic acids (DNA, RNA) themselves were not formed. As observed in all consequent experiments, both left-handed (L) and right-handed (D) optical isomers were created in a racemic mixture.
(the above is a copy and paste)
so would it be financially viable to get aminos into a bait that used water from this experiment(or one of the many like it),once the other chemicals had been taken out?or would it even be worth adding the amount of aminos to a bait that this experiment produces?
as you can probably tell i haven't got the foggiest,so can any of you bait experts on here say whether this could be used,or would it be,in theory,a complete waste of time?
if the whole thing is a pile of rubbish then maybe the worst this thread has done is got a few people thinking!!
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#328873 - 16/03/08 01:19 PM Re: could this work? [Re: jfish]
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bloody hell mate what are you after recreating the formation of life?

"The Miller-Urey experiment (or Urey-Miller experiment) was an experiment that simulated hypothetical conditions present on the early Earth and tested for the occurrence of chemical evolution. Specifically, the experiment tested Oparin and Haldane's hypothesis that conditions on the primitive Earth favored chemical reactions that synthesized organic compounds from inorganic precursors. Considered to be the classic experiment on the origin of life, it was conducted in 1953"

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#328874 - 16/03/08 02:16 PM Re: could this work? [Re: ROTOFRYER]
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hi rotofryer,yeah i know what the experiment was trying to recreate,i just wondered if the resulting water laiden with aminos,sugars,lipids would be a good ingredient in a boillie.i know the whole thing is somewhat over the top,but it would be an interesting thing to try!!
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#328926 - 17/03/08 02:11 AM Re: could this work? [Re: jfish]
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then try it; stranger things have happened or have they?
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#328927 - 17/03/08 04:22 AM Re: could this work? [Re: ROTOFRYER]
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maybe you would be better off researching how a fish utilizes proteins etc and then attempt to find something that fits with your conclusions
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#329099 - 19/03/08 07:54 PM Re: could this work? [Re: jfish]
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At the end of one week of continuous operation Miller and Urey observed that as much as 10-15% of the carbon within the system was now in the form of organic compounds. Two percent of the carbon had formed amino acids, including 13 of the 22 that are used to make proteins in living cells, with glycine as the most abundant. Sugars, lipids, and some of the building blocks for nucleic acids were also formed. Nucleic acids (DNA, RNA) themselves were not formed. As observed in all consequent experiments, both left-handed (L) and right-handed (D) optical isomers were created in a racemic mixture



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#329504 - 29/03/08 04:31 PM Re: could this work? [Re: DanDare]
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"king carp strikes back" the fight between giant fish and man kind,who will win!!!!

sounds like a great film

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