Have a chat with the boys from Fin

they know a thing or two about animal feed. they supply the same basic fish meal for use in ruminant feed and aquaculture. Aslong as the angler does not use hormone enhanced feed for carp I can't see there being a problem.

Although growth hormones in our fishmeals could account for the increase in carp sizes over the last 20 years or so.

Singy....Are you suggesting that Paul uses something other than Nutrabaits gear?? Tut, tut, tut, surely that would be compromising his abundant amount of honesty and integrity!!!!

I like the dig! ;-)
*scott*

Mike, what's in B5?
Paul, what's in BFM?

Low temperature fish meals, soluble fish protein, Casein (acid and rennet), Lactalbumin, Calcuim Caseinate, Robin Red, Krill Powder, Crab Meal, Milk fats, Betaine, Crustacean Shell content, Amino Stim, Wheat Germ, egg Albumin (and two products I cannot go into).

I hope that helps you Gazza, although I'm mystified to know what such a question has to do with this thread. Each to their own though, all I can do is answer the question.

Mike...it may have nothing to do with the thread but great answer.

The pellets I have just bought at £4.50 for 25kg contain the following ingredients:
Beet pulp, palm kernel extract, wheatfeed, sunflower extract, rape seed extract, barley, calcium carbonate, sodium chloride, vegetable oil, vitamins and trace elements.
It breaks down to:
Oil 3%, Protein 16%, Fibre 11%, Ash 11.3%, Vitamin A, Vitamin D3, Vitamin E and Selenium.

I find it hard to believe that this is more harmful to fish than large quantities of hemp seed or trout pellets, which contain far too much oil. I would hazard a guess that this is closer to the natural composition of a carp's diet than many of the bait companies' concoctions, most of which contain ingredients that are excreted before they can benefit a carp in any way whatsoever. I think Neville Fickling once wrote that a protein level of around 16%, (this may be coincidence, but I think I am correct), was the optimum level for successful utilisation in carp feed.
As for the "filling in" syndrome, you only have to read Adam Penning's article in this month's Carpworld.
Adam describes how he dropped a couple of markers, then "covered the area with a bit of bait" This consisted of a sack of hemp, which when cooked weighed around 20 kilos, 15 kilos of Hinders trout pellets, two kilos of tigers, and 10 kilos of 10mm and 15mm Monster Pursuit boilies. Now to novice carp anglers, and those who have to live in the real world and buy their own bait, this probably accounts for about half a season's bait budget. He then goes on to say that "the size of the oil slick coming from between my markers was awesome - it looked like the Exxon Valdez had turned over in my swim." How very apt, it's called pollution! I can't help thinking that the bait companies are only too keen to encourage this kind of writing, as it encourages others who should know better to imitate this, thinking that quantity is a valid substitute for skill.
In my view, the bait companies have no reason to complain, as by trying to promote the use of vast quantities of extremely expensive bait, you can hardly blame people who look for a cheaper route, and take these claims of fish-friendly formulas with a pinch of salt.

Paul....your advice given during the CSL Pellet Debate was...
"Use what you are confident with and can afford"
Many anglers no doubt followed that advice....Where is the problem?

Yes I do use Nutrabaits CSL pellets which are produced via maize fermentation and they are perfectly suitable for cyprinids.
These particular pellets are only available to two other companies in the UK and they are far removed and a much higher quality than CSL sheep pellets etc or other very inferior ones.

Singy, if you are buying 25k of fishmeal mate for £10, you are buying very poor quality fishmeal, I would suggest fertilizer grade.

Bill Cottam can't buy good fishmeal for anything like that price, mate - and he buys 400 tons of fishmeal a year, so he would get a good discount!

Peter, those pellets would also be undigestible. Protein content is irrelevant if it can't be utilised by the gut...

sounds to me that someone has been ordered to protect certain commercial interests.
paul where is the proof that maize gluten straits are not as good as the pellets u talk about? you also know that csl liquid is available to sheep farmers at less than 50p a litre is this also no good?
its no good because it is not bought from a bait firm which is complete and utter rubbish