Anybody out there recommend any companies CSL pellets,decided to use these this coming season and would like some opinions
Also do the birdlife leave these alone as the water I am fishing is infested with tufties

Hi mate, you'll not go far wrong with M-16 bait services CSL pellets they have an excellent breakdown time and really do attract fish. I also use there jumbo hemp pellets which are simply superb. give him a ring if your not sure he'll probably do you a small amount just to try out.

Cheers,

Pete.

dont enen think of another untill you have tried jason callaghans (sticky baits) csl pellets i started using them in small pva bags and had a shed load this winter.

My mate runs a small bait company up here in Middlesbrough give him a e mail and ask for a quote, there is nobody cheaper,cannot tell you how much i get them for but its a quarter of the price of others. stecobbold@hotmail.com say COSER told you to get in touch.Great breakdown rate

woodpecker

Maltbys in Hull do them for £19.99 for a 25kg sack.

Cheers

Butt Banger

Take a good look around and you will find C.S.L pellets are not made for carp angling or any angling.
And the most you should be paying for a 20kg sack is £5.00.
These are available country wide.
Just do some homework and you can avoid another carp angling bait rip off.

Bloody hell Clive £5 for 20kg give us a clue as to where mate plz.

Pete.

The pellets that Clive is talking about are an "oversprayed" animal feed pellet.
There is a C.S.l pellet manufactured for the fishing industry, as a well known bait company and myself are involved in it.
If you put each in a glass of water, you will see that one breaks down leaving a pile of crumb whilst the other does the same but leaves broken maize grains and turns the water dark brown as it oozes corn steep liquor out of it.
The pellets Clive talked about, I actually did sell at one time, but were an inferior product but still caught fish.
As for £5 a sack, you get what you pay for.

Hi Jase,
How are you?
Yes your right but as I said do your homework and you can find the C.S.L pellets that are sold to bait and tackle firms.
Like you say they break down and turn the water dark brown as the C.S.L leaks out around them.
We have compaired nearly all commercial tackle/bait firms pellets with the ones we have found and there is no difference other than ours seem to be carrying more C.S.L.
Nothing to technical just that we have broken down maize as you have and very dark coloured water as you have.
Also I might add between the dozen or so of us using them we have out caught most anglers fishing the waters we have used them on .
As you know I have no vested interest in any tackle or bait company (No offence intended)but when a carp angling shop near me sells C.S.L pellets at £60.00 per 20 kgs and he gets them from the same supplier as I do for £5.00 per 20kgs the great carp angling bait rip off is still in full flow.
And as I said to you at the Carp Society show when fished against the most expensive carp brand of C.S.L pellets catch rates are no different and this was done on two different waters over three months.
Like you say you get what you pay for, ripped off or with a little effort not ripped off.

Meaty,
I have tried to P.M you twice but it would appear at the moment there is a problem as it wouldnt send to you.
Totaly beyond me.

Hi clive,
I'd rather p.m you mate, but I feel the need to reply to this openly.
You said do your homework and you can find what is sold to tackle and bait firms, totally correct.
A lot has changed since the Carp Society Show.
As I said earlier, the pellets that I market are developed, (not sourced) single ingredients, mixed and procesed with the help with a well known bait company(as with betaine pellet).
I'm not posting here to promote myself, far from it, I've never mentioned my company before and still don't intend to do so.
My Hemp pellet is the same as a well know major bait company, but Mainline's is the best, and will take me some time and money to better, if I ever can! (but I doubt it).
Sorry Clive, I think I need to send a sample to you of the pure c.s.l pellet.
P.M me unless you need to reply to this post.

well all this is fine and dandy

BUT WHERE DO YOU GET THEM CHEAP

Not a problem, if I'm wrong I will post publicly here.
You have two P.Ms if it works.
As I said before " no offence meant " in any of my posts.

Clive.

Can I have a PM please which answers Warcop's question.

Axe

Jason I see that you are still on line, at the moment I cannot seem to send a P.M.
I have no idea why.
If you wish to contact me privately then please email me at,
P.Ms now seem to be working.
Im sorry to say that if anyone else should try the same the emails will be deleted without being seen.

So were still in the dark as to where we can find these pellets then are we? Can't see the big secret myself.

Pete.

Homework starts by asking a question.

Are they made for horses by anychance.

i gather that we are not going to find out either,maybe its alright for all of the rest of us to be ripped off by the bait companies :-(

Well i've read through all this, and i've even tried reading between the lines, but i still can't find the answer.
Anyone would think we're dealing in illegal substances or something.

Smurf,
I've thought about it long and hard, and i'm quite sure i wouldn't be offended if you advertised your products by telling us all about them.

Miller.

Try cattle

tried cattle but i couldn't get them on the hook they kept wriggling off

lads....i'm not a big user of pellets myself,and i've no idea about their price really either!
last weekend at the nw carp society meeting,everyone who attended was given a 1k bag of csl pellets,these came from a firm called carpstream ltd,and they are located in the speke area of liverpool.
there is a website....
http://www.carpstream.co.uk
not much info really,just an email button for enquiries.
i can tell you that they are charging £25 for a 25 kilo sack of csl pellets (add p+p if your not collecting)
not sure wether thats a good price,but its a starting point for some of you i suppose.i can't comment on there effectiveness,as i say,i'm not a big pellet user....but i hope its a help
cheers mark
ps for those of you who prefer to phone them,the number is 0151-486-8866

i think the clue to locating the c.s.l pellets is in clives post.they are available COUNTRYWIDE.im no genius bt ths a farm feeds and outdoor store,worth a shot

Clive - this post has been taken off by me. Please refer to my new post today (8/2/02)

Thanks!!!

not bad 4 a junior,though im 25??????

I think you will find it means your a new member of the forum and not a teenager again :lol
Right, Im off my mates are gonna lynch me about the above thread.

well we carnt have the bait boys ripping us off now can we,they also do some good (pigeon seed)partimixes around £10 4 20kg.thats me 4 a lynching now,ill shut up.

I like this thread.. any more??
Is the 'CSL' sold by bait companies the real thing?

CSL is a waist product I believe from some process involving maize,don`t know which.I have been told it is available free as you are saving the firm money on waist disposal costs,the only drawback is you have to take a minimum 1000 litres of the stuff.I suppose you could drink 999 litres and take whats left for baitmaking, or you could open a bait firm and make a small fortune, just a thought.The pellets are cattle pellets I believe but are made by different firms so effectiveness may vary.
Come on lads lets not be affraid to "spill the beans" so to speak they are hardly a secret edge people are trying to save a bit of wallet filler.

Hi Pete,

I thought this thread would appeal to you, good isn't it !!

Cy.

So, do they have a site, just trying to find it now.

Yes, CSL pellets are derived from what used to be a waste product.
The liquid CSL starts to solidify in storage drums, and this used to be thrown away. I remember four years ago Bill Cottam noticed this when a delivery was made to the Nutrabaits HQ and asked the supplier of CSL if he could also purchase the solid waste product - and CSL pellets were born!
Others have since jumped on the bandwagon....

ok so are the £5.00 per 20kg pellets, as good as the ones i paid £60.00 for from one of the top bait manufacturers?
martc

I've no idea, Mart.
Use what you are confident with and can afford....

Probably.....
I can get them for £6, they are the same as those marketed by a few bait companies, I don't bother myself as I question their effectiveness in comparison to other pellets...

thanks paul and pete
i think i will be trying a different pellet combination this year anyway, i did notice that halibut pellets had a quite instantanious effect for some anglers on three lakes this year,
martc

Halibuts are a superb bait, cheap and easy to roll!!! they are near the top of the tree when it comes to pellets.. go for the big ones...

Little tip from a little brummie

when using pellets of what ever type never throw the powder left in the bottom of the bag away, keep it and put it in with ya PVA bag and get that additional bit of little ou la la straight away.

Ignore if you like cos I never catch anything

thanks for the advice pete, will give them a good go.
cheers
martc

Guys

as far as I can find out, CSL pellets are the same as Maize Gluten sold in animal feeds.

Get looking


I quote

Maize Gluten, This is a by-product of the manufacture of maize starch. Derived from the wet milling of Maize this feed consists of maize fibre and corn steep liquor that is then dried and pelleted. There are two main areas where Maize comes from: the USA and Europe"


Another thing if betain is a broduct of sugar beet, any one reckon the sugar beet pellet i've found will be any good?

martin i think i mentioned to you last year , theres an animal feed supplier, right on my doorstep they do a few different pellets pidgeon conditioners , if you like i will get you a price list not sure of using the pellets on selby you, will after ask gordon, ps paul i love the flasher you got any spare

I have one problem though, everyone I get in touch with about these pe;;ets only suppy in 10 and 25 tonnes. Now that's a major baiting campaign

Anyone want some pellets?
I'm picking up last 4 sacks tomorrow. If you live in the Guildford/Woking area, mail me.
Gazza

Anyone in the east midlands finds them Iwant some PLEASE

obe cheers mate
if you could get me the price list i would be gratefull
see you soon mate
martc

mart.i think the animal feed store is on the main road approaching Thirsk from Ripon on the right hand side,big green looking store called something like countrywares or country stores, i pass it everyday because i am working in Ripon at the moment.Will definetely find out tomorrow

Got them - same as shops ones. Smell lovely.
Give em a go at the weekend and report back.

where did you pick them up from?

Singy, I think the message of the thread is ask the right people the right questions and thee will find.
PM Me

Can someone please explain to me what is so secret squirrel about CSL pellets.

Ask any other question on here, like "Whats your fave hook", and everybody comes steaming in.....FOX, Ashima, ESP etc,etc.

Ask where to get CSL pellets cheap......nothing.

For most people we can work out what we are looking for. But what about the Kid who wonders into a animal feed store, buys the wrong thing and ends up wasting money, ruining his fishing and potentially harming the fish.


Miller.

Well said miller, not sure what's going on.

Just bloody tell everyone

This may help some of you.

http://www.allenandpage.com/hstock.htm

Miller.

Wow what a thread this has turned out to be!!!!
I have sourced some cheap CSL pellets thanks to this thread,just wondering now what my next question can be lol

pokey joe
i know where you mean mate, have you ever been in ? i will call in on saturday, cheers mate
martc

Lads, don't get so het up.
It's all here, just read the posts carefully.
What's wrong with being a bit secret squirrel-ish anyway?
You have to keep some things to yourselves after all.
Who's prebaited after dark or when nobody is around?

I managed to order some today, they should be here Thursday I'll let you know if they are the right ones.

Jas the slayer reckons, they should be easy to source just look for corn SHEEP liquor pelletts in your local grain store

what do the company call the pellets or do they call them csl the same as we do

Finally singy - a reasonable amount for baiting up. Pick up the 25 ton lot and bring it over. I figure on my favorite lake, we could toss a dib here and a dab there into all the likely looking spots. Should easily have enough to last nearly a month if we were careful.

I went an amimal feed suppliers where i get the dogs food from yesterday and asked if they sold csl pellets and the guy didnt have a clue what i was talking about. I said that i though it was used it was used as sheep feed they had that in sacks but i couldnt get a look in the sack as they were sealed.
Still they did have all manner of particals,trout pellets,tigers & groundbaits so i'm picking a sack of hemp up on monday £12.50is that a good price? they also do giant hemp at a whopping £22.50 both are 20kg sacks.
A20kg sack of tigers is £45 is that reasonable?

Cheers,

Pete.

i get 25k of hemp from a reptile and bird shop for £13.95, so yours isnt a bad price at all (all depends on comeptition i suppose), but i get my tigers a bit cheaper - i get (if my memory serves me correct) 25k for £33 - definately shop arround - and dont mention fishing, they seem to be wise to the fact we pay over the top for stuff and jump on the band wagon! - try a health food shop for the tigers, we have a stall on my local market that does them sort of pick and mix!

Pete, tigers seem ok, I paid 28 quid or so for 12.5kg

Iv'e found what we are looking for and its NOT CSL you should be looking for it is "i may keep it to myself for a while i may make some money"

Hi all (and specifically Clive)

I have just had a call from Countrywide Farmers. They would like it pointed out they do not supply csl pellets although they do supply other types of stuff.

The reason for this is that they are getting lot's of calls, e.mails and faxes requesting information as a direct result of this thread! (never underestimate the power of the fishingwarehouse.co.uk forums! )

Announcement over. . . back to the topic

I wouldn't have thought they were pissed off, unless they've been knocking the stuff out to the bait boys at vastly inflated prices as well.LOL.
They should be rubbing thier hands with glee:0)

No they dont steve but i know a man that dose.

i cant resist the temptation anymore,if u ask for mendip ewe nuts at countrywide theyl know what u mean,but dont say there for anything other than sheep,sorry to spoil the mystery,thought id save u all some money,damn good too,i had a nice winter 20 last week fishing wth thm in p.v.a bags.

Hi Mr Lane,
I have NEVER said Countrywide Farmers sell any pellet CALLED C.S.L. and as far as I am aware they dont.

But a pellet they do sell under its correct name is also sold by tackle outlets as C.S.L pellets.
And finding which one is where the 'doing your homework' comes in from my original post.

The reason I have not named the pellet is because myself and a few friends spent an awfull lot of time and a fair bit of cash traking the right pellets down.
If anyone should wish to help themselves all I have done is given a huge shortcut to what you are looking for.
This is now definately my last post on this subject.

Clive,

As pm'd you earlier, they asked me to remove the references, so we complied. If someone posted your contact details and you did not wish for people to contact you. . . and they did, I'd feel a tad miffed.

Bottom line is this is not cencership or the post would have just 'gone'. I also know you are completely right and were doing the right thing too so its no problem. . . its just if this continues I might get another call and they have every right to ask me to delete the topic. If I amend these last few posts people will still be able to work out where to contact. . . especially if they ask you!

All ok now?

Bought some "EWE NUTS" yeserday they smell exacly the same as the csl pellets i bought from M-16 bait services tried some in a glass of water and they broke down in 2mins price- £££4.75 FOR 20KG!!!!!!!!!

Can't wait to get out and give them a bash at the weekend.

Pete.

pete. did you get them from waltham or killingholm?

Got my Ewe Nuggets today and I can't believe how carpers are being ripped off by the fishing trade.
My friend is a farmer and he gets them for £110.00/Ton = 40No 25Kg bags or £2.75/25Kg - I really am amazed as to how we are getting the p*ss taken out of us.
I have already rang all my mates who are not on the Internet to tell them, if everyone on here would do the same I think we could have a dramatic effect on the amount of CSL pellets bought from Bait/Tackle Manufacturers or they may be forced to bring their prices down.
No doubt we'll get the ususal bullsh*t about "their's is made to a higher specification than sheep food, etc, etc" appearing in magazines, posts, etc to try to defend their prices. But we all know who's interests they put first, don't we, and it's definitely not ours - the humble carper.

I think this deserves thread of the month Paul.. Think of a prize for it.. investigative journalism I think it's called...
ALL pellets I know of are animal/fish feed derived.. The carp fishing market is too small to justify large scale pellet production, despite what we might think!! and all these pellets are very much cheaper as non 'carp' branded products..
Happy Searching..
Does anyone now question the sh1te written about bait???

Totally wrong Pete B,
Right suggesting thread of the month, but not on pellet production.
To have mine produced it is a "simple" task of a minumim 2 tonne order, no liquids are allowed, everything has to be powdered with a full chemical breakdown before they even entertain it before putting it in their vats.
100% c.s.l crystalised granules not oversprayed breadcrumb.
Yes certain companys have been pulling the "wool" over your eyes, but please do not put all companys in the same bracket
At the end of the day use what you are happy with, as for £5 a sack I wish I could have it pelleted for that!
If you still think all c.s.l pellets are the same, I'll name (I won't, watch the press for two of them) three companys that are about to market a 5mm to 22mm pellet in the next few months. Do you think we would go to the hassle of buying an inferior product in, to have it crushed back to it's former state to have it pelleted again.
As I said in my earlier posts, the stuff you are buying catches fish, and yes I actually sold it for a period untill we saw a market gap for the real Mc'coy.
I'm sure Mainline would also be interested in your comments about "large scale pellet production"
Not all companys are ripping you off.

"As i said in my earlier posts the stuff you are buying catches fish"

THAT'LL DO FOR ME THEN!

Now that most know where to locate them,I go to Jollyes in Hailsam. You may want to also check out "Horse Cubes" for their molasses leakage.( Breakdown in under 2 mins and leave a nice pool of the brown stuff)
and "Citrus" pellets

It's the great Betain/finstim rip off all over again !!!
Harv

Ad in todays Carptalk Complete 25kg bags of CSL pellets 6mm with betaine rapid breakdown within minutes bargin £90 post paid will split (I bet thats got you all rushing for your phones) will you tell him or shall i ha ha ha

Jason,
Not wrong at all mate, as I said, pellets I know of..... You really should read the post first... What pellets are you talking of??? Free plug available......
Large scale is relative, had a look at the cattle pellets recently?
£5 per sack.. depends on how much you are buying mate.. heard of bulk discount.. if a supplier has to make two ton it is far more expensive than 200 ton!! cost comparisons on this scale are invalid I generally buy a ton at a time and split it with my mates.. that puts two tons for general sale in perspective...
I never said all CSL pellets were the same, nor did I say they were 're-pelleted' sheep feed. (quite why anyone would want to do that I don't know!!)
The fact is, that price per kilo goes up considerably when bought from bait companies.. I know they have to make a profit but I can buy them from the manufacturer or wholesaler for a fraction of the cost..
As for the 'real mcCoy' .. I look forward to the glowing reviews and 'product tests' that will be published.. maybe I'll learn something.. in the meantime I'll stick with my high quality fishmeal based, high finstimm, extremely digestable/ convertible pellets ....
By the way.. Ever thought about the drying processes's effect on CSL????

Now that we know were to get our EWE nuts from. Are they all made by the same
Manufacturer, and do they contain the same feed materials. Mine came from my local
Animal feed supplier Central Wool Growers and were PRIMEFLOCK 18 CAKE at £5 for a 25kg Bag, and this is what it says on the label.

Feed Materials in descending order by weight
Maize Gluten feed, Wheat feed, Palm Kernel exp, Copra (Coconut) Exp,
Cereal glucose syrup, Sunflower ext, Molassed sugar beet pulp, Barley,
Rapeseed ext, Caloius carbonate, Sodium Chloride vegetable oil,
Magnesium Oxide, Vitamins & Trace elements, “Selplex” (Selenium-Yeast).

What does it say on your label?

Could we have some feed back as to any results achieved using these animal
feed pellets.

mine say the exact same mate so i think we have all nailed it now

Hi Smurf,
You commented earlier in the thread that when dissolved in water your pure CSL pellet leaves a pile of broken maize grains? See your supplier there's something wrong with his wet milling process, CSL is the solution left after steeping maize for approximately 40hours in a warm chemical solution to soften it prior to starch extraction. The process water as its called is filtered again and then sent forward to be evaporated to around 50% solids. While hot this solution remains mobile, when cool it sets like a jelly, is this your crystalin CSL?
I would tend to agree with Pete B's views and maybe your supplier is re-introducing broken maize or dust from the corn cleaning process prior to steeping.
Corn steeping liquor is not as many of the lads think a waste product from the wet milling of maize, it is a valuble material which is used by the bio-industries and others.

Sorry lads more shite I Know, but this thread lives on.:D

Hey up Bandit.
I was waiting for you to pick up on this thread, anyone want to contradict Bandit on his C.S.L. knowledge?
Now I know for a fact, that what Bandit has posted here is true and accurate. So how do these pure C.S.L pellets come to have maize grains in them?? Who is kidding who???
Hey Bandit have you ever heard of any company using a process to freeze dry C.S.L. because correct me if I am wrong (and you are certainly the man to do it), wouldnt C.S.L. have to be freeze dried to form granules?

Hi Bandit, Pete b
Yes you are totally correct, broken maize and dust are re-introduced to the crystals to act as a binder.
As all of these are dry, it is near on impossible to pellet, but as steam is introduced to extrude the pellet the ingredients bind under pressure.
The actual c.s.l crystals come from being freeze dried whilst being put through an atomizer.
The outcome is a purer c.s.l pellet with no added extra watse (only maize extract's) from other products than you can buy now.
I've kept this honest, no secrets just the best I can offer, I don't like being ripped off either.
This thread could run for ages, so If anybody would like a response or a reply from me would you either p.m me or e-mail me from now on.

Good couple of posts there......

Ok so now we can get the pellets......Anyone know where you can get the liquid.

I have been thinking about pressure spraying the "ewe" pellets with a soluition of betaine and CSL. and then drying them off.

But not wanting to purchase a small amount of CSL for silly prices..........

Here starts the next quest.

Hi Lancs.. Coming to the fish in??
Bandit.. nice one you obviously have a very deatiled knowledge of this product.. would you mind if I PM you to ask a few questions as I would like to clear up a few things

Hi PeteB,

The original lancs here but Ive buggered my preferences up.

If you are on about the March one, then If I have an invite I would love to come down.

If not then I am at Selby.

first of all i woulde like to state i dont work,field test or get cheap bait from smurf (j.callahan) but just try them trust me they are the best csl pellets i have used and do the job even in freezing tempretures nice i am only saying this for youre info .

My apologies to everyone, my mistake has just dawned on me.
Just come back from the pub early because my mind was all over the place.
Cheers Bandit you sorted me out with "wet milling process".
My cock-up has been in my own words "pure c.s.l pellet".
Obviously c.s.l stands for corn steep liquor, this is where I cocked up, "liquor".
My pellet is not made from pure c.s.l!. It is made from maize, crushed and ground with freeze dried c.s.l no other additives or binders. Therefore my mistake was to call it a pure c.s."l" pellet, my labels will be changed monday and once again sorry about the confusion.
I have tried to fill a gap in the market and offer a quality pellet designed for ourselves.
I hope you can understand my mistake and my need to defend my product, I hope this explains all (cheers Bandit) as I've said before, total honesty

I.Rocket iv'e never seen smurf's CSL? pellets.

I did smell some of a guy i fished with "dont know who's make it was"TBH.

But what this thread was/is about is sorceing cheaper csl type pellets,if people want to buy the over priced pellets thats up to them.

I for one am very glad i have read this thread as it opens your eyes to what is realy out there waiting to be discovered and i have found one of the best smelling pellets i have ever come across and smells exactly like so called "CSL" pellets.
They are NOT ewe nuts.

When / if you come to the match at hardwick we could compare the 2 and see if they are simular.

Hi Smurf,
First of all lad, none of us think you are posting dis-honest comments and no one is having a dig, its just a written conversation. The problem with the written word is you cannot determine how someone is trying to communicate fully with you; over a pint or just socialising you can read the persons body lanuage, written down its black or white no inbetween. Keep posting Smurf, you can see your post has raised plenty of interest. I got it wrong last time, missed one word where I described enzymes as living things, should have been LIKE living things. Its simple really, red wine and post dont mix.:D

Post away Pete B.

Crafty - your well read and on the ball as usual, as Smurf says Freeze drying is a method,however I would have thought spray drying may have been the appropriate procedure but how to get a CSL powder that did not stick to everything it touched - another matter, maybe freezing does the trick.

My apoligies once again, my final post on this (hopefully, but I doubt it)
Spray drying usually means spraying onto a carrier (usually breadcrumbs)
Freeze drying means drying the "pure" product (I know I'm right using "pure" now, not like my erlier cock-ups) in it's natural form.
Liquor being a waste product, I wish, it get's offered in many forms, from shelf blowing to "dead". (one for Bandit).

The term shelf blowing, I am not familiar with unless it means the product is still fermenting. Please allow me give you a tip lads while were on this subject, if you ever get CSL that is fermenting do not keep it in a sealed vessel (Especially glass), it will blow anything and I have seen some nasty situations when guys have left the product sealed in a warm place and it has blown, leave it venting.
Dead, I presume is incubated corn steep liquor (produced through secondry latic acid fermentation) very low in reducing sugars this is the product your probably purchasing in the shops. Remember when your buying, if the plastic bottle is swollen, put it back on the shelf and leave it to blow
Last post, its getting like work, just SHOW ME where to buy some of Smurfs pellets and let me at em :D

1st time out with my "new" csl pellets on sunday 10 minutes into the 6hour session i had a 22.12mirror which i'm chuffed to bits with, the fish came over a small bed of csl & mini betain pellets.

I also pulled out of another fish a couple of hours later using the same tactics.

I think i'm gonna like using these.

Cheers,

Pete.

Nice result Pete i hope i have the same fortunes when i use mine for the first time,ive put some in my club lake to get them interested.

as for the liquid csl - ive got some (possibly van den eynde - cant remeber)
a half litre bottle for under a fiver!

Can I just put this thread to rest, CSL pellets are sold as Maize Gluten Straights (just maize Gluten) in the feed industry. The ewe pellets you guys have got, if you look at the list of ingredients contains mainly Maize Gluten (top of ingredient list) but are not 'pure' CSL pellets.

Straights are used by farmers who blend different straights to create a balanced feed. Yours are a balanced diet in one. If you can get hold of Maize Gluten straights these are the 'purest' maize gluten pellets avaible for feed.

I'm sure the pellets you guys have are very effective and with the added vitamins and minerals can't be doing the fish any harm at all. Most places only sell straight in 5 and 10 ton weights. So I suggest you get to know a Farmer

Thought Maize Gluten had something to do with it.

I can get 50kg of maize gluten for under a fiver.........But its not in a pellet form.

It comes in powder or pellet. Shame you can't get the pellet, the powder would make a great bag mix or groundbait though. I'm still on the lookout for a supplier of small quantities of straights I will let you know when I do

Singy

Be careful, not all 'ewe' nuts/pencils/strights contain Maize gluten, one I was looking at didn,t seem to contain any and the prime ingrediant was wheatfeed, this was Prime Ewe pencils produced by Farmway Ltd....any thoughts on this??

Been lurking with avid curiosity on this one, as you would !

I few months ago I went on the CSL liquid crusade. After a few weeks I had found a couple of people willing to sell it to me by the lorry and after a little more chasing around a farmer happy to sell me 5 litres for a fiver.

The CSL was the very dark viscous liquid ala Mainstream rather than the thinner watery SBS version.

So it is out there if you can find it.

Me ? I am back on the chasing around as that kind gent passed away and his family have sold up.

i have managed to source maize glutten straits in 25k sacks for £8 and also the liquid at 25l for £9

must have made 50 phone calls ,have to hide the bill from the wife

Active or inactive M8.

There seems to be a difference in them.

Bandit do you care to expand, Smurf.......Anyone.

Try this:

http://www.sourcerer.co.uk/chemindex/index50.HTM

Thanks for the link Peter. I will have a good browse of that site, nice one.

I was getting my pellets through a local dealer who got them from a mill in Liverpool. I was getting them for £5.60 for 25 K. The guy who gets them for me let slip that I wanted them for fishing, and guess what? The mill in Liverpool won't sell them to him anymore they want me to buy the same product in a bag with a fish on the front for £25 for a 25k sack. Apparently they have another buisness selling carp baits, the ones for carp are totally different ofcourse

sounds like the pellets we all got given at the warrington meeting chris....they were manufactured in liverpool? coincidence? dought it.... just go elsewere,someone will sell them to you,just pretend your a farmer with one sheep

Hi Guys & Gals?,

Very interesting thread. Thanks for an enlightening read.

For my input only slightly digressing. Red band. Two sorts? one for bird fanciers and one for anglers.

Guess what the one for anglers costs more. I,ve had both and cant tell the difference.

Anyone know what Halibut pellets are really.

Thanks

Faze

Trouw...?

I can get the same halibut pellet that KM sells as carp nuggets for £30 a sack from Trouw.instead of £30 for 5k from KM

I bought a 25k bag of ewe nuts the other day from an animal feed dealer for 5 pound 27 pence, the main ingredient is maize gluten & they smell same as csl from tackle shop & breakdown well,

bad point is i had to listen to a lecture on the rearing of bloody sheep by the bloke while he sorted me out,
he assumed i had a sheep & so I didnt tell him they were for fish ?,


ALFY

Alfy.

Maybe that was a good move, before the PC enthusiasts amongst the suppliers started learning how to spell 'carp' and print labels

Axe

Faze..
Halibut pellets are Halibut pellets.. used for rearing very large flatfish... they only become something different when re-packaged for carp anglers!!

$50 per ton here! Thats about 2,200Ibs, I think or= 1 weeks prebaiting

Jules

is there anywhere in north kent where i can get a sack of these pellets???

If you mean can I drive and collect them, then no.. delivery no problem...
Where are you based carper-mart?

Pete are you talking CSLor Halibut pellets here ?

yeah.what one's we on about ? and how much.
like the cartoon,where did u get it from?
mart

Go on a search engine type in animated gifs fishing and take your pick

Halibuts mate...

Is this thread ever going to end (not that i want it to)because it seems to me that this has been the most succesful one ever well done

Agreed Keith..in that it has demonstrated yet again the hype and elevated prices that
anglers,carp anglers in particular,are expected to swallow.
Not particularly helpful to me baitwise....afraid I dont rate them very highly and would
not use them if they were £1 a ton!......seems like every man and his dog is intent on
using them though...

I wonder what other particles are sold on as fishing bait for 4 times the price.I will be looking it to that one.keith finan

Happy hunting Keith..
Bear in mind that there is very little actually designed for carp fishing purposes in terms of bait..Sourced yes, but designed for carp fishing application..No..
Therefore 99% of these wonderbaits are freely available to anyone with a little searching..
However, I don't particularly rate the CSL ones mentioned.. there are better..

For reference folks you can keep your sheep very well fed on £4.10 a 25kg sack from Titmus of Wheathampstead.

They also do other bits and pieces such as Calf Rearer, Groats, Hemp for about £9 a sack, trouties for £15 a sack.

Great place to go !

By the way they also sell pig and calf pellets anybody tried these ?????