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#68010 - 27/01/02 09:12 PM baitboats
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anyone got any views on baitboats?
in my view the use of these devices is ruining one of my local waters for those of us who catch carp in a more conventional and creditable manner.the problem is that you can only fish one bank of the lake, but by good bait application the fish could be persuaded to come accross to feed. however, many moor unscrupilous anglers? are taking bait and their rigs 300 yards to the safe area giving the fish no reason to visit the near bank were normal anglers can fish for them.

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#68011 - 27/01/02 09:38 PM Re: baitboats
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Hello mate, if you use the SEARCH facility at the top of the page, you will find some good debates on the use and moral's of the baitboat.

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#68012 - 27/01/02 09:41 PM Re: baitboats
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Baitboats:-
a means of presenting a rig/bait to an area previously out of bounds to all anglers fishing the traditional way,or another interpretation,a means of fishing for otherwise totally crap anglers unable to catch by the more traditional methods.
Bait boats should be banned nationally on all waters, if you want a boat to play with then go and join your local model boat club.

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#68013 - 27/01/02 10:01 PM Re: baitboats
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a means of fishing for otherwise totally crap anglers unable to catch by the more traditional methods.

Not taking any sides on this one but having suffered myself last year from effects of others using RCB`s:-
If the above statement by carpcatcher is true why is it that many of the names profess to using them or row boats.


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#68014 - 27/01/02 10:31 PM Re: baitboats
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Here we go again, same old chesnut, same old arguments.

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#68015 - 27/01/02 10:41 PM Re: baitboats
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Here we go again, same old chesnut, same old arguments. the fact of the matter is, people have used boats for fishing, for as long as there have been boats,which is probably longer than they have used rods! as tecnology changes so do the methods used to catch fish, the hair rig, bite alarms, bait runners, bed chairs, bivvys etc. of course we could all live in the past with none of the new? technology but who really wants that? so live and let live. life is to short for all the bickering.
Spring will be here soon, the carps will be on the munch, just get out there and enjoy what you do, and don't worry about what others are doing. That is why they call it fishing, if you caught all the time it would be called catching

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#68016 - 27/01/02 11:51 PM Re: baitboats
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Bob,
I dont worry about what other people are doing, but when they drop a rig and bait over mine and they are fishing 200 yds or so away it does tend to spoil the day somewhat.

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#68017 - 28/01/02 12:14 AM Re: baitboats
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Common sense and discretion go a long way. Unfortunately many of the lads I see fishing left that quality in the garage.

If you can cast their then by all means use a boat. You can spod it (Noisey), yes I know some fish are attracted to it,but not at my local, but if bait boats were £5 each, every tom, dick and harry would have one.

Well maybe!


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#68018 - 28/01/02 12:31 AM Re: baitboats
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ROUND AND ROUND AND ROUND AND ROUND AND ROUND AND ROUND AND ROUND AND ROUND AND ROUND AND ROUND AND ROUND AND ROUND Well you get what i meen

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#68019 - 28/01/02 05:12 AM Re: baitboats
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If the bait boat isn't going in your swim I don't see why it would bother you.As for taking the bait 300 yds to the safe area, after time this area won't be safe no more.

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#68020 - 28/01/02 06:22 AM Re: baitboats
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yeah but they are a luaghable bit of kit really, why can't people be happy just fishing the way they were intended to fish. Like dont these geezas get the astetics of carping you a peaceful lake and a battle with fish, where does a plastic remote control boat play a part. If it were up to me i would ban them all and have done with it, its only a personal view but can anyone tell me what good they do angling as a whole apart from gee up a few coots.

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#68021 - 28/01/02 11:11 AM Re: baitboats
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BORING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!BORING!!!!!!!!!!!

We've been here before, quite recently. Come on Moderators, can't we do something??


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#68022 - 28/01/02 11:57 AM Re: baitboats
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your saying about taking the boat 300yrds to a safe zone to catch the fish......good on them,they will catch fish for a bit but then the fish will soon see danger in that area and move out of it to other areas which in trun will make them move closer to the fishable bank and the moaners will start to catch the fish under there feet but you will not get any credit for that as the boat is a cheating way to catch fish. bit like the bite alarm is and the hair rig but all the people that moaned about them soon got onto them when there catch rate suffered.

i have seen it all before when useing my boat and the way around it is to let the guys that are moaning use your boat, thay soon change there mind trust me on that one.


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#68023 - 29/01/02 12:29 AM Re: baitboats
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I dont really have a problem with bait boats as long as they used safely, sensibly and dont annoy others fishing.
Theres a mere Ive fished in Cheshire which has basically turned into a boat water in the last 12 months ,nothing has been caught from a casted lead since October, things will change again and they come out closer in again, but until then, what do you do? - when in rome!!!
I heard also someone is hiring boats out on this place £3 a day - nice little earner if you ask me!!

cheers

STEZ


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#68024 - 29/01/02 12:33 AM Re: baitboats
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As we are not here to decide what is boring or not, the best we can do is move this to the Bait, Rigs and Tackle forum.

It sounds like bivyman's boat needs a new rudder!

Axe


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#68025 - 28/01/02 02:20 PM Re: baitboats
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"why is it many of the names profess to using them or row boats".
Quite obvious I would have thought,once you've reached a certain level in any sport it becomes very hard to maintain that level of performance/catch rate.So a remote controlled boat can obviously enhance those falling catch rates,imagine the effect of a boat in the hands of a good angler,quite unbeleivable really.Like its been said before,you dont have to go stupid distances,just put the baits in the right positions with a little sprinkling of bait and "hey presto".Using boats gives mega advantages at baiting up tight,something that even the best spodders would find difficult.

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#68026 - 28/01/02 03:18 PM Re: baitboats
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The problem with using baitboats on this water is not that the fish will only go where the baitboats are dumping large amounts of bait,but that these areas are not safe to fish at that range anyway!I know this place very well and the far margin is littered with snags, some of which are whole trees.I challenge anyone to place a bait next to a snag (whole tree)at 300yds by whatever means, clip up,lie back on a bedchair and still land even a small percentage of hooked fish safely.Its not possible, even with braided lines fish kite and a high proportion get snagged up.So while I am not against the use of baitboats in principle I am against the "get a run sod the fish" culture they can bring with them.
Ah I feel so much better for getting that of my chest!!!!!!Therapy please Mike tg?

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#68027 - 28/01/02 03:25 PM Re: baitboats
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Same old arguments!
I've had one for a year and I use it sensibly, mainly to bait up with particles. I seldom use it when actually fishing and never compromise either the safety of the fish or the enjoyment of other anglers.
I really couldn't give a toss if others approve or not - it's my choice.
There are too many people in this world trying to impose their views on others - do we have to put up with it in fishing as well?
In my opinion if you use bite alarms, baitrunners, etc, etc and slag off bait boats it's a bit like the kettle calling the pan black.
Give it a rest.

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#68028 - 28/01/02 04:03 PM Re: baitboats
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...pot.

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#68029 - 28/01/02 04:21 PM Re: baitboats
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quote:
I really couldn't give a toss if others approve or not - it's my choice.

Just about says it all eh


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#68030 - 28/01/02 05:31 PM Re: baitboats
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i use a bait boat but only when iam fishing out off my casting, spoding range and with in reason, the no1 prioraty is never puting the carp in any danger,i normally fish alone so its realy differcalt rowing 3-4 rods out at a time,the bait boat makes presintation at range so much easyer,another good use for the bait boat is feature finding you can easly miss little features just plumbing around so i feel it gives me that extra edge needed.

would richard walker or any of the other ground breaking carp fisherman have used them
if they had them avalible,i think so.

you have to move with the times or youll get left behind.


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#68031 - 28/01/02 07:58 PM Re: baitboats
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Here's a little question for you all.

Which is more annoying, someone using a baitboat, or someone playing with, adjusting their alarms, without turning them down??


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#68032 - 28/01/02 08:58 PM Re: baitboats
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people playing about with there alarms it has to be

here a bleep
there a bleep
ever where a bleep bleep


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#68033 - 29/01/02 01:41 PM Re: baitboats
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Bait boats, if you have one, use it.

If you use it like an idoit, then you are one.

Why bitch about someone using a boat at 300yds.......Arent we all trying to cast 120+, heck that wasnt cricket years ago.....

A tool for the job. Like the rest of our gear.

Now Im off to blow up my inflatable boat...Put on an echo sounder and search my local lake bed.....Is that wrong because Im not doing it with a marker float??????


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#68034 - 29/01/02 08:54 PM Re: baitboats
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What about 300yds tight up against bad snags, thats not cricket for the fish is it,well it might be like getting a full toss in the teeth.In my opinion baitboats can be a good safe method of bait placement in certain situations.If placing bait under overhanging trees you will never overcast leaving tackle up trees,or if placing bait in open water at distance no problems with crack offs etc.My point is to some people the safety of the fish is not a consideration, its just catch at any cost.I challenge any of the people who use a baitboat to place a bait at 300yds tight up to bad snags to justify it on here,any takers?

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#68035 - 30/01/02 08:38 AM Re: baitboats
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What a crock of cr*p.

You can't use a baiboat at 300 yards because you wouldn't be able to SEE the bloody thing!!!

150 yards is far enough!


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#68036 - 31/01/02 12:00 AM Re: baitboats
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I agree with Carpmanchris, I have trouble seeing mine at 100 yards - and I'm not joking!

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#68037 - 30/01/02 06:56 PM Re: baitboats
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I've a feeling that if this is the water I think it is. the fish will just go up the other end of the lake. Where a friend imforms me that there are 4 very well used swims on the no fishing bank. Making it harder than it is allready is.

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#68038 - 30/01/02 07:45 PM Re: baitboats
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I have caught fish on a local lake casting to the same spot some lads use a boat to reach, not a distance cast but close to reed beds. If they feel happy doing this then so be it.
Like it's been said before a boat is just another tool.
I don't have one but if the need arises who knows.

It is a laugh though when a boat get stuck...

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