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#57447 - 07/09/00 07:07 PM Pursuits or Pursue?
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Dear all you Rod Guru's.

My mate has set his mind on getting 3 Nashy 2 and 3/4lb, 12 foot Pursuits.

Myself, I am also after getting 3 errrrm, long range rods at some stage. We have discussed what we know (very little) about the rods on the market these days.

I am a litle more frugal than him, or should I say skinter than him. So this discussion arose about the cost etc of said rods.

He is quite prepared to pay that sort of money for three rods so I guess the question is; How 'good' are these rods compared to an equivalently priced alternative?

Is one paying for the name?
Are there equally (or better) choices out there for the same money?

We have read that these are great rods, and that in my mind is not up for debate. Unless you know different...

I understand there is different gradings of Carbon etc, out there, that is why I am not asking for a cheaper alternative/option.

He has the money, lets help him spend it

Regards Axeman.


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#57448 - 07/09/00 08:20 PM Re: Pursuits or Pursue?
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Without question,Rob, the Daiwa Infinity is way ahead of anything else out there, especially the 3.5lb tc. version.
I know I'm a Daiwa consultant, but I would simply say ask anyone who has used them who isn't a consultant and they will agree!

[This message has been edited by Paul Selman (edited 07-09-2000).]


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#57449 - 07/09/00 11:35 PM Re: Pursuits or Pursue?
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How far do you want to go...........

I dont think I can cast as far as the rods that I am using presently, and these aint 250 a piece jobbies.....I currently own 2 3.5 Silstar Edges and 1 2.5 edge rods.

1 3.5 is used for spodding at short range, the other for "distance", the 2.5 is used in the margins......I think they were about 150 if that....But I fish small chuck waters..... Then again, I know the rod has more umph in it...But, I dont need it.


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#57450 - 08/09/00 05:04 AM Re: Pursuits or Pursue?
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Have a look at the Fox range, they are good rods. I agree with Paul on the Daiwas, a very good choice.

I personally have blanks in 12' 4ib TC made for me by Steve Harrison, whipped up by Vic Gibson, titanium Fuji's. They are, without a doubt, the most awesome rods I have ever had the pleasure to hold. I wrote a piece a couple of years back in Carpworld called 'In Pursuit of Excellence' with all the details from Harrison on how he'd made 'em, plus Vic on the whipping pattern, ringing et cetera. These rods were, errrr, serious amounts of cash and one offs. So I'm bragging really !!!

At Essex Angling they have a range, based on Harrison blanks, called 'Eurocarp'. They are very good rods, especially the 12' 3lb TC and they will cast a lead further than you need !!

What ever happened to the rods with no rings ?? Shimano I think, I went to their trade show and had a cast with them. Only an OK, but personallyu could never see the idea catching on. Big in Japan I hear, any ideas ??

Cheers

Chris Woodrow


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#57451 - 08/09/00 08:05 AM Re: Pursuits or Pursue?
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Chris,
I believe it was the Diawa Interlines that you were thinking of.
I`ve seen a bloke using a 2.75 12` Interline and they looked very fast taper and heavlier than the marked tc.
Not sure if Diawa still make these in carp form,i believe they tried this idea with beachcasters as well.
As for carp rods in general,i`am pretty sure that not everyone whose got a 3.5/4tc extreme range model is actually capable of extracting the maximum performance out of them.Like with beachcasters some of these rods take some winding up and the anglers "build" and constant practice come into play.
I agree with Lancs in that "Mr Average UK Carp Angler" (and i include myself in that category) doesn`t need that kind of performance or to spend £250+ on a rod.
There will always be a need for budget priced rods,such as the Ballistas as just one example.
Paul,do you use the 3.5tc Infinitys at Withy Pool as well?

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#57452 - 08/09/00 08:48 AM Re: Pursuits or Pursue?
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Yes Kevin, I use the Infinity's 3.5 for all my fishing.
The Interline concept is fundementally flawed in terms of carp fishing, although I can see their value in sea pirking etc. I was fieldtesting an Infinity version, and cracked off whilst really putting it through its paces at very long distance. The leader line knot flew up the centre and presumably melted under the friction of the cast, completely blocking the centre a couple of inches from the exit tip. I couldn't unblock it and therefore couldn't re-thread the line through the centre. In the end of one my Daiwa Masterclass students took it away and he had to resort to taking off an inch or so off the tip and then using high water pressure to remove the fused knot.
My field-test report simply said : "whip eyes on it!"

[This message has been edited by Paul Selman (edited 08-09-2000).]


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#57453 - 08/09/00 08:57 AM Re: Pursuits or Pursue?
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Don't ignore the 2nd hand option either If you're 'a bit skint'


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#57454 - 08/09/00 09:08 AM Re: Pursuits or Pursue?
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Have to agree with Paul here, I invested in some 3.5lb infinity x's at the start of the season and I have to say - I'm very impressed!

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#57455 - 08/09/00 09:15 AM Re: Pursuits or Pursue?
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Best rods I have ever used are 12ft 2 3/4lb test Infinity x. I got mine from Trev's of Wilmslow at £150 per rod.

Margins to 140+. What more do you want!

I used to have Harrisons but they were too floppy for real range, lovely to play fish on though. The Infinity does everything!


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#57456 - 08/09/00 09:42 AM Re: Pursuits or Pursue?
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Thanks chaps..but,

I did fail to say in the first question, that the major concern is not neccesarily the distance casting. That comes with a rod of this nature.

Its really the handling (action) in the margins as well that is up for question.

Regards Axeman.


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#57457 - 08/09/00 09:56 AM Re: Pursuits or Pursue?
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In my view when fishing for big carp here and abroad you need a rod that gives you control and power over a hard-fighting fish. I therefore want a butt section that does not bend, but a responsive tip. Hence the Infinity suits me and it was thoroughly tested both in the lab and in fieldtests before release - unlike others,
If you go for through-action, in my view, you are handing control over to the fish, and in my experience you lose far more fish on them. A few years ago I had Harrison rods and like Charles says, they were too floppy for real range, but for me they were also too through-action in the margins. They did not have the power to stop big fish at range either. Mind you, the worst I've seen for this was the Armalite. I think a better description would have been Tank Ariel!

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#57458 - 08/09/00 10:56 AM Re: Pursuits or Pursue?
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Tackle Box made Daiwa Amorphous 2.75tc 12ft.

Best rods i have ever used...

Used to have 13ft 3lb Armalites..

Very good as well.


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#57459 - 08/09/00 11:35 AM Re: Pursuits or Pursue?
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Dont' mention the 12ft Armalite to Mr Angry from Stoke....some of you may know who I'm talking about!!!

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#57460 - 08/09/00 11:35 AM Re: Pursuits or Pursue?
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Don't mention the 12ft Armalite to Mr Angry from Stoke....some of you may know who I'm talking about!!!

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#57461 - 08/09/00 11:50 AM Re: Pursuits or Pursue?
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Axeman,
Toddle along the M180/A18 to Chapmans in Ashby,Stuart and his lads have just about all the rods on the go at the moment including there own range of rods for both multi and extreme ranges or to Nev`s at Gainsborough if you decide on Diawas.

[This message has been edited by Kevin Babij (edited 08-09-2000).]


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#57462 - 08/09/00 06:38 PM Re: Pursuits or Pursue?
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For a slightly cheaper alternative I cannot speak highly enough of the Daiwa Dictator Z range, either the LD (Long Distance) or the standard. I personally prefer the Mark1 standard. A little tough to get hold of but I am sure if you shop aroung the will be set sitting around at a good price.

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#57463 - 10/09/00 12:20 AM Re: Pursuits or Pursue?
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I have been looking at upgrading. I use Harrisons, I have two sets. They are a bit bendy, and I agree with the points made.

I popped up to North West Angling in Wigan, the best waggling shop around ! The rods are set up upstairs in a old church, and you can give em all a good shake about - not fishing, this, I know.

On waggling the 13ft 2/34 Nash, what struck me was that it was as bendy as its Harrison Counterpart- it looks lovely, mind.

The Century NG 2/34 was bendy too, as was the Hutchy Dreammaker.

Three rods stood out as "stiff", the Diawas, The Team Hutchinsons(cheaper than the dreammaker) and the Shimano Bugs.

I realise that a lead or carp on the end may invalidate my waggling test !

Oh, and if your one of the "Divas" mentioned in another post, just send for the Dreammakers - if only St Helens women were as good to look at !!


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#57464 - 09/09/00 01:20 PM Re: Pursuits or Pursue?
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The rods are set up upstairs in a old church

So God is a angler after all !
How come i still haven`t caught a 30 then after all the praying i`ve done?

Lancj1 did you play about with the new Century FMJ or SP`s,the FMJ seems similar to a concept of Bruce Ashby`s of a rod not actually classed as an individual test curve but more a range of tests/casting weights.

[This message has been edited by Kevin Babij (edited 09-09-2000).]

[This message has been edited by Kevin Babij (edited 09-09-2000).]


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#57465 - 09/09/00 08:14 PM Re: Pursuits or Pursue?
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As someone else has already mentioned, why buy new unless you're :
a) a tackle consultant,
b) so rich you don't care
c) the owner of a tackle shop
d) a complete tackle tart.

£100 per rod can buy you some serious gear, secondhand.

I bought some Daiwa Kevin Nash Whisker Kevlar a few years back for £70 each. 13 foot 2.5 test. These rods are so good the trouble is, I can't actually get any better without spending a fortune.


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#57466 - 09/09/00 08:29 PM Re: Pursuits or Pursue?
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[STUMPS HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD SECOND HAND ARMALITES VERY CHEEP AND A GREAT ROD MY OWN ARE 13FT 4LB REBUILT BY ALLAN YOUNG THEY,VE BEEN USED AND ABUSED BUT NEVER LET ME DOWN (BIT LIKE THE WIFE)QUOTE]Originally posted by Axeman:
Dear all you Rod Guru's.

My mate has set his mind on getting 3 Nashy 2 and 3/4lb, 12 foot Pursuits.

Myself, I am also after getting 3 errrrm, long range rods at some stage. We have discussed what we know (very little) about the rods on the market these days.

I am a litle more frugal than him, or should I say skinter than him. So this discussion arose about the cost etc of said rods.

He is quite prepared to pay that sort of money for three rods so I guess the question is; How 'good' are these rods compared to an equivalently priced alternative?

Is one paying for the name?
Are there equally (or better) choices out there for the same money?

We have read that these are great rods, and that in my mind is not up for debate. Unless you know different...

I understand there is different gradings of Carbon etc, out there, that is why I am not asking for a cheaper alternative/option.

He has the money, lets help him spend it

Regards Axeman.[/QUOTE]


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#57467 - 09/09/00 08:43 PM Re: Pursuits or Pursue?
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Dear Kev and Cyprio.

Kev, should have read my first post, and took it in properly. " He is quite prepared to pay that sort of money for three rods" and "I understand there is different gradings of Carbon etc, out there, that is why I am not asking for a cheaper alternative/option."

Cyprio, b) so rich you don't care. (relatively to the average guy on the street)

He is going to have internet access soon so dont anyone tell him I said that will you?

Regards Axeman.


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#57468 - 09/09/00 11:03 PM Re: Pursuits or Pursue?
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Axeman,
Tell him to have a look at the new Grey's F1- if you're in that market these are truly stunning rods!

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#57469 - 10/09/00 04:18 PM Re: Pursuits or Pursue?
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Lancj1 - be carefull waggling in NW Angling or you might attract the legendary Bernard to you (the manager!)
Old Bernard swings both ways....

[This message has been edited by Paul Selman (edited 10-09-2000).]


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#57470 - 10/09/00 05:13 PM Re: Pursuits or Pursue?
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Is that a left or a right hook, or does he bowl from the pavillion end..

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#57471 - 10/09/00 07:53 PM Re: Pursuits or Pursue?
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Just don't bend over....

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#57472 - 10/09/00 08:23 PM Re: Pursuits or Pursue?
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Dear All.

Int it funny how a topic can get dilluted over a few posts

One minuite we are talking about a serious subject, the next we are talking about....!

Regards Axeman


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#57473 - 11/09/00 08:36 PM Re: Pursuits or Pursue?
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That explains Bernards reaction when I asked him would he have a look at my but ring !

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