I have never undertaken any kind of baiting plan before, but this next month, for various reasons I have the chance to do 8 days on Manor Farm. I would be VERY interested to hear from you all, on how you would tackle a session like this. Would going down every other night for a couple of weeks before hand and getting some bait in, be the way to go? My plan will be to try and find the fish each day if I can, rarther than sitting in a bivvy all week, waiting fir them to come to me. I know this has been covered in various boos/mags, but I would very much like to hear from some sponsor free carpers. After all, even chucking in a kilo ever other day works out quite expensive (well I think it is). This will be my first session of over 48 hours and I am keen to maximise my time and energy, so ANY advice/opinions at all will be appreciated. Thanks in advance

I could tell you MarcB but I am not sponsor-free!
I find it quite insulting that you think 'sponsored bait anglers' do not give impartial/are not capable of giving impartial advice. There are probably only a dozen of us across the country tied up with Nutrabaits, Mainline, Hutchy, Nash etc. How do you think we got into this situation? By knowing about bait and by catching many carp over many years, from many waters. And all of us to my knowledge give impartial advice. Most carp anglers are not fools you know!

Paul, my comment about sponsor free carpers, was throw away and not intended to offend, I guess we are all guilty of saying stupid things some times and today it's my turn! what I meant was that I didnt just want someone to tell me to stick 10K of brand X in and I will catch. Its my fault I didn't explain it very well, please ignore that comment. I often forget that something written in a post as a light harted comment can look serious, but those smilies just get on my tits!
Actually Paul, whilst writing the post I was hoping that you would be able to offer me some advice. So please forgive my ignorance, It was never my intention to insult you or anyone else in this forum. I will try not to let my fingers overtake my brain in future.

Good luck with it, just use a bait that has done well for you in the past. I would say I haven't fished Manor at all but like any water location is the main thing, see where everybody is fishing and try somewhere else, in other words do your own thing. Check the snags and put some bait there, even if you can't fish there. When those fish move out they may be more likely to try your bait.
With regards to baiting up, you need to know where the fish will feed, rotting bait will catch nowt so if not sure keep it in the bag!

Thanks Paul, I am told that mainline fishmeals do well there (by Roy the head baliff) So I am torn between trying something different or getting on 'it'. The only features I have found are 2 gravel bars, and there arn't too many places near snags or trees to put bait, that someone else wouldn't find. I saw fish crashing like mad at first light near to one of the bars, and whilst most people slept (3.30am-4.am), I found the fish most mornings. So I guess I should either bait up and try to anticipate the fishes morning show, or cast single hook baits to these fish. I have noticed the fish move around an awful lot. All the people I spoke to were friendly and we generally swaped 'info'. My biggest disapoinment came in the shape of a certain 'name' that is a regular on manor, who dispite my polite approach and offer of a cup of tea, gave me a look of 'no chance'! even though he was leaving and didn't seem in a rush. I was discussing only the other day with My girlfriend and Richard Gardner about how much more friendly carp fishing in general has become. All the guys like Ian Russell, Frank Warwick, and Paul, seem keen to discuss our common interest and I have a great deal of respect for these great fishermen. It was a bit of a slap in the face, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt and put it down to him having a bad day. After all we all have them. Ooops sorry I went off on one, back to the question can anyone give me advice on tackling an 8 day session, and in particular the bait?

Was that the guy you told me about Marc?

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All the best

Delkim Dave

Yes Dave, I think it best we don't reveal his identity. I suppose he is entitled to act anyway he wants. Just a bit of a disapointment thats all

Mr Selman

I don't see why you should feel "quite insulted" by MarcB's comments.At no point does he question your ability to give good/impartial advice.If he want's advice from non-partial anglers then that's his perogative surely?

As the moderator of these BB's perhaps you should chill out a little and not get "insulted" so easily?

Perhaps you should take up bivvy yoga!

Actually Paul, after reading my post again, and thinking about it, I didn't actually say or imply that you were not able to offer impartial advice. Anyhow apology still stands, sorry if I offended you in any way.

BTW If I have to read another article from Sir Cundiff (sp) that is a glorified advert for a certain Nutrabaits recipie, I may well puke. I am sure JC (among others can offer advice (of the impartial kind) and do on a regular basis, but if someone wanted to read an article on the new Porsche 911 and all it contained were references to Castrol Synthetic oil, people would soon complain.

It's as if Paul thinks everyone is 'having a go' at him when people reply to his posts.
Maybe it's me, but I get the impression he doesn't think 'amateurs' like us should be disagreeing with a his points.
All because Paul is well known doesn't mean that what he thinks is right.
Anyway if we all had the same views and used the same tactics as each other......
a) There would be no point of these Forums both on the Internet and at shows
b) There would be no famous faces (like Paul) because we would all be using the same bait and fishing the same way!!!!!
I think Paul should 'chill out' and stop getting so stressed at other posts (remember fishing is supossed to be relaxing)

I don't mean to be rude just saying what I think.

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All the best

Delkim Dave

Sorry Mr Selman - you are completely wrong! I think the phrase goes something like "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours"

An individual who has struck a deal with a bait company is bound to be bias towards that bait - they'd be pretty stupid not to be. Why does JC constantly recommend Nutrabaits for example?! I think we all know the answer to that question don't we!

A certain duo changed their writings overnight when they were taken up by Hutchy, and I don't blame them!

No, the average Carp Angler is not stupid as you so rightly say!!!!!!!!!!

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By 'eck it's GRIM up 'ere!

As a girl who goes fishing with her boyfriend all the time I have a few theories on the subject of Pro-Angler V. Rookie.
I have met some excellent guys whilst fishing and some absolute stinkers.
For example my partner and I are fishing on Manor and this one guy is heading in our direction so me and my partner say "Hi" and other pleasantries only to be met with a look of utter annoyance as though mere maggots were entertaining the idea of talking to him.
Then it twigged..... it isn't that he thinks he is a better carp angler it's all to do with losing and gaining face. You see by maintaining this superioriority it makes him LOOK as though he is more skilled, better equipped, and a more accomplished Carp angler than everyone else on the bank. If I was going out with Terry Hearn he'd probably do the same thing.
In my experience the Big name guys are often the friendliest and more willing to talk to you - and this just goes to further proove my point.
Anyway I don't know what this has to do with sponsors, baits and male sensitivity - Mr Selman We mean you But I'm on MarcB's side......

Penny,
Are you who I think you are?
The 10th Kingdom (or something like that) I think it was you were reading?
Or have I got the wrong person all together?

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All the best

Delkim Dave

Christ, We've got the girlfriend involved now!. Hi Pen.
P.S can someone please answer my ORIGINAL post?

I thought the fact that Penny didn't mention that she was your girlfriend Marc, meant she didn't want people to know.
Oh, well never mind!!!!
There's me trying not to give it away.

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All the best

Delkim Dave

Would you let anyone know if you were my girlfriend?

Careful mate we don't want people getting the wrong idea!!!!!!
Only kidding mate.
Before I know it people will be callin me 'Lady-Boy' Dave not 'Delkim' Dave!!!!!!!

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All the best

Delkim Dave

I saw the way you looked at me at Manor, don't be shy Dave, were all friends here.
Ahem.

Hands Off ........... MarcB's mine
btw BB "Bivvy yoga" ..........excellent!

Bloody Hell what have I let myself in for!!!!!
I must say I was wondering why there was 3 slepping bags in your bivvy????
One for you......one for Penny........and who was the other one for, I just can't think!!!!!

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All the best

Delkim Dave

Why Cuttail of course

Erm....... the original post?

Good point,
Back to your original post and a response from Paul Selman please.

(P.S Can I point out I am straight and have a high level of testosterone running through my veins!!!!)

I wasn't getting stroppy at all.
I see my aim on this site as helping our members as best I can. I have been carp fishing a long time, have seen it all, and have fished a lot of waters and caught a few.
I'm not here to ram Nutrabaits, Nash or Daiwa down anyone's throats even though I have an association with those companies. I am here to give impartial advice. Anyone who has read my writings over the years will know that. The baiting strategy Marc suggested was a joke (not an attack on you Marc), candidly, as is much of the advice he has subsequently been given by others in this thread, and shows he is very inexperienced as a carp angler as are some of the others who have given advice. If he doesn't want to accept mine because I am 'sponsored' then more fool him! Companies don't sponsor people who don't consistently catch lots of fish by the way!
For the record, I wouldn't be telling him to use Nutrabaits gear etc (I can't speak for JC), but I would be giving him advivce on how to catch the carp he wants to catch. I want him to keep coming back to this Forum, after all.
Oh, and to start another row (in the interests of this sport we all love) there is too much sniping at well-known anglers in some of the BB's on other sites from people who are not qualified to do the sniping, frankly!

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Do you still think I know nothing about bait application having now read my baiting situation that I have described fully in the Essenial B5 thread. If so, what would you suggest, considering my frequency and length of sessions. There is no reply on that thread so I placed a request on here.

If that's describing it fully, perhaps I've missed something!
Honestly, mate, I'm just trying to help. It's up to you whether you want to accept that or refuse it.