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#349642 - French Fishing: list of legal UK -owned lakes!
Paul Selman Offline


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All fishery businesses in France MUST be registered in France, otherwise they are illegal under French law.

All legal fisheries have to list a SIRET number on their website and on any paperwork as proof that they are registered with the French tax authorities. It doesn't matter if the lake owner lives in the UK, or the lake is leased, any income derived from French property MUST be declared in France.

If you have booked a French fishing holiday this year ask the owner for their SIRET number. If they don't have one they are a 'black' fishery which can be raided at any time by the French tax police and shut down. If the owner has a SIRET number you can check it is valid and for a fishing business by typing in the first nine letters on verif.com

If you have booked a black fishery you run the risk of losing your holiday, being thrown off the venue and possibly having your tackle and vehicle confiscated by the police. Personally, if I found I had booked an illegal fishery I would demand my money back and go elsewhere. There really is no excuse for any fishery owner in France, they all know it they must be registered in France and they must be paying taxes in France.

Below is a list of registered English-owned fisheries in France that have a SIRET number, you can book any of these with confidence.

Angel Lakes
Bounty Lakes
Boysaway Carping
Bluewater Lakes
Brittany Mill Lakes
Carp Quarry
Millers French Fishing Holidays
La Fritterie
Etangs De Breton
Exclusive Carp Fishing Holidays
Etang Le Fays
Etang Bertie
The Source
Moulin De Mee
Lac De Beaute
Etang Marolles
Crete Lakes
Suttons Carp Fishery
Edens Lakes
Etang Moulinots
Jurassica and J1
Eden
Fishabil
Heaven
Moorlands
Bills Lake 1,2 and 3
Les Croix
Rushes Lake
Mirror Lake
Lac Les Pins
Lac Serenity
Blavet Valley Lakes
Utopia
Rushes Lake
Carp DíOr Lakes
The Retreat
Croix Blanche
Birch Pool Retreat
Genesis Lake
Echo Pool
St Leonards Carp Lakes
Ultimate Lake
La Petite Martiniere
Martinís Lakes
Castaway Lakes
Etang De Planchon
Moulin De Passais
Carp France Fisheries
Millstone Pool
La Morinais
The Graviers, Djon (Luke Moffat's)
Lac Du Premiere
Charlou Carping
Etang Deux Pierres
Carp Invasion
Moulicent
Dream Lakes
Vallee Lakes
Beausoleil
Etang Meunier
Les Burons
Sweet Chestnut Lake
Gigantica
Etang De Vilaine
Lac Du Laneuville
Red Hot Lakes/Etang Du Vivier
Pleasure Lake
Les Quis
Le Moulin de Graffeuil
Domaine De Ribiere
Stacey's Place
Paradise Lakes
Marne Valley Carping
Etang Baudy
Lac de la Vie
Lac Rose
Les Koalins
Lac Clement
Etang Du Manoir
Lake Bossard
Redmill
Crystal Waters
Etang Negreloube
Les Etangs De L'Ecurie
Etang Des Landes
Etang Damvilliers
The Sanctuary
Cherpont
Fox Pool
Oak View
Etang Deux Pierres
Etang Mureau
Serriere/Badgers Holt
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#349655 - Re: French Fishing: list of legal UK -owned lakes! [Re: Paul Selman]
Paul Selman Offline


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All owners of the above venues can feel free to start their own thread about their fishery here including news, views, pics, blogs etc. They are also free to post a link to their website or Facebook page etc... thumbsup

We need to support the legal fisheries.... wave
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#349825 - Re: French Fishing: list of legal UK -owned lakes! [Re: Paul Selman]
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Interesting that Carp Forum have deleted any references to UK-owned French fisheries needing to be registered with the French tax authorities or they are deemed illegal and anyone fishing an unregistered fishery is committing a criminal offence.... bash

This is presumably because they are getting a few quid in advertising from the said illegal fisheries.... thumbsup

Where does this leave self-confessed Francophile and Carp Forum Admin Ken Townley? woot
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#349860 - Re: French Fishing: list of legal UK -owned lakes! [Re: Paul Selman]
DAVEW Offline
Former owner of Etang Moulinots
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I am hoping to bump into Mr Townley 1 day as he apparently lives in the South West near where I have moved to. Got some very interesting questions for him as regard the censorship of 1 particular venue on that forum for many years and even continuing after the venue has changed hands. I would also be interested to know what steps the forum administration take to ensure that all foreign venues referred to on the forum are properly registered in France. Of course I know a lot of venues that are either not registered in France, not registered in France or the UK, or are registered in France but are not properly accounting for tax. Now in retirement my days of getting involved on the carp forums are over (almost)!!

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#349861 - Re: French Fishing: list of legal UK -owned lakes! [Re: Paul Selman]
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Paul an after thought from my previous posting, if a forum allows the promotion of an illegally operated/tax unregistered venue are they potentially leaving themselves open to legal action if anglers lose their deposits etc??

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#349864 - Re: French Fishing: list of legal UK -owned lakes! [Re: DAVEW]
Pete B Offline

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Dave,

Probably... I'll look into it... thumbsup
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#349887 - Re: French Fishing: list of legal UK -owned lakes! [Re: Paul Selman]
DAVEW Offline
Former owner of Etang Moulinots
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Haven't heard from you in years Pete, how are you doing m8?

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#349896 - Re: French Fishing: list of legal UK -owned lakes! [Re: DAVEW]
Pete B Offline

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Doing fine mate... building a leisure based company into something special... thumbsup

How's life after France? thumbsup
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#349897 - Re: French Fishing: list of legal UK -owned lakes! [Re: DAVEW]
Pete B Offline

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"are they potentially leaving themselves open to legal action if anglers lose their deposits etc??"

Potentially yes.... the medium that carries the advertising is also liable... I doubt however that the forums have anyone of substance behind them, however, if they do...... lol
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#349924 - Re: French Fishing: list of legal UK -owned lakes! [Re: DAVEW]
Paul Selman Offline


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Dave, no SIRET number on the new Moulinots website.....presumably the new business owners are aware of your recent history? Eyecrazy
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#349929 - Re: French Fishing: list of legal UK -owned lakes! [Re: Paul Selman]
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It's all in hand, they won't be making the same mistake as I did!!!

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#349981 - Re: French Fishing: list of legal UK -owned lakes! [Re: Paul Selman]
Willsy01 Offline
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Hi Paul

Etang des Moulinots

As the new registered owners of Etang des Moulinots I thought I would put you (and everyone who has read your post)in the picture on the current position of our registration in France. As I'm sure you know, being a lake owner yourself, French bureauocracy is second to none and the speed of the registration is entirely in the hands of the departments dealing with it. Our french accountant is currently in the process of registering our limited business with the relevant departments of commerce and the tax office, who are well aware of our presence. Until this process is complete (we were told 12 weeks approx from start to finish) we will not have our Siret number, but as soon as we have this it will be on our website. It was not possible to take the Siret number of the previous owner as we are an entirely new business (WT Fisheries sarl). Customers already booked and prospective customers need not be worried about booking with WT Fisheries as we have sufficient paperwork to show we are in the process of registering the business in the correct way.

Terry & Wendy Wills
WT Fisheries sarl


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#349982 - Re: French Fishing: list of legal UK -owned lakes! [Re: Willsy01]
DAVEW Offline
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I think that more than clarifies the situation Terry!! It is a real pity that you have been drawn into this subject having done everything properly from day 1, something that most of us didn't do from the time we started trading in France. I have no desire to bring out my old self and start trying to win popularity contests on forums, but I am a little a sad that there is any reference to Moulinots under legally operated fisheries especially after what happened to me!!

This topic, not specific to Moulinots has been addressed on various forums and it is of no surprise that certain venues do not wish to contribute to the topic knowing that they are either not registered in France, not properly registered in France e.g. incorrect business category to avoid TVA (VAT), wrongly defining their price structure or worse of all not registered for tax purposes anywhere!!!!

Over recent years some venues have been investigated by the French Tax Authorities (as I was) and have now closed down, either voluntarily or otherwise. As far as I know I am the only fishery operator who has openly reported on such matters, though my decision to start retirement was well before the tax investigation and a prompt for others to get their affairs in order.

As vindictive (lol) as I am supposed to be, at the moment my lips are sealed regarding illegally operating fisheries in France, but be assured if I do read anything which is an attempt to be detrimental to me or Moulinots, my professional accountancy background will be invaluable to the French tax authorities and I might be able to buy some modern golf clubs!!!

Ok back to enjoying my retirement, except for 1 final comment addressed to the venues that say they don't need to display their Siret number on their website, yes you are correct, but perhaps you choose not to do that because your business classification can be identified from the Siret number and found to be incorrect!

Hopefully Paul you will allow this posting to remain, nothing controversial just being helpful!!

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#349984 - Re: French Fishing: list of legal UK -owned lakes! [Re: DAVEW]
Paul Selman Offline


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Of course David, not a problem. These Forums are promoting the legal fisheries 100% which is the only responsible thing to do. thumbsup

Others, such as carp forum really should reflect on the fact that they are openly encouraging their own forum members to fish illegal venues were they could get into serious trouble, just because the forum owner is getting a few quid in advertising revenue! bash
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#349985 - Re: French Fishing: list of legal UK -owned lakes! [Re: Paul Selman]
DAVEW Offline
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Cheers!!

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