Hello peeps,long time no speak!
Me and the nutty proffessor,namely Pete.B,were toying with some ideas as to whether or not there would be any mileage in bringing out an additive that would enhance ANY bait that contained PROTEIN????? No first limiting aminos required within the base although it would be a distinct advantage.But any bait that contained a percentage of protein,even milks,could emit amino signals just by adding this certain something to your base mix provided it had a reasonable amount of protein within its content? Please discuss

I think there could be some mileage in such a product just not sure how limited that mileage would be? I suppose it depends upon your market?

Very few people roll their own baits these days and only a percentage of those formulate their own baits. If that is your intended market by default I think interest will be limited.

That only really leaves the bait companies as potential customers ?

A product that could take any amount of protein within a baits make up and produce an amino signal or signals i would have thought people would be gagging for it?But then again with all the brain washing about flavours,essential oils WINTERISED OILS it would be hard to educate folk upon the benefits and merits of such a bait.I suppose im just going to have to do it the hard way and start hauling again! All banter aside tho,i firmly believe this could turn an average HNV or mid protein bait into an absolute flier......Time and trial will tell?

Dean,

You’d like to think there'd be interest

Even though I formulate by own mixes (nothing ground breaking) I like to be able to source all my ingredients locally & not be reliant on the fishing trade/tackle shops for them. It also keeps the cost down & gives more sense of achievement.

Plus if Pete’s involved, my bait might end up dissolving quicker than it already does

Not sure how’d it work out with a Big bait company as they may want sole ownership/usage of the product & would you be able to keep up with demand for the likes of Mainline for example?

No doubt there will be some interest..but would it be enough to cover your costs, or you could to do some more articles in the Mags or do the round on the forums to see what sort of interest you get back.

Mr Moon,i believe the only way to achieve any recognition in this game is by proof!Or by telling bullshit stories in mags of huge imaginary catches caught using your SPECIAL potion.Fortunately,i am of the old school breed whom would rather show people what a product can do,which,if good health allows me,i will duely aim to achieve.The testing of new products,especially those that flick a switch within me,is something that drives me forwards in my quest for something special.That edge that puts you on a higher level of confidence,thats what floats my boat and long may i sail in her!

Advancements in bait formulation can be a real headache at times....but when you get it right,its majical!

Dean your right, people should be almost knocking your door down to get their hands on such a product. By the same token though, the same should have applied to your enzyme baits.

Trouble is only a small minority understand the implications and even some of those don’t know the difference between the real deal and any other bait company claiming active enzymes.

A little while back an angler on the lake I was fishing went out of his way to tell me how great his bait was. He had been told by the supplier that it had unique ingredients and was enzyme active. Going one further he insisted upon giving me a demonstration. He dropped a couple of baits in the margin, made me a brew, chatted for a while and then invited me to observe how the enzyme action had already started to turn the outside of the bait to mush.

He was not over impressed when I informed him that his bait simply had a high percentage of soluble ingredients. His bait was not being broken down by enzyme action it was simply breaking down in the water from the outside in. This did not convince him at all. So I asked, given the soft nature of the bait was it possible to air dry it to produce harder hook baits? He confirmed that you could. I tried to explain that enzymes were ph and temp reliant and a truly enzyme active bait would break down out of water, but I was simply wasting my breath.

His bait supplier got wind of our conversation and even tried to take me to task over it. I was told that I did not know what I was talking about and was living in the past. Apparently bait and bait ingredients have moved on such much that I no longer know enough to even have an opinion on the subject. Any questions asking him to quantify and expand upon that, were conveniently avoided or deflected in the interest of him not giving away any of his trade secrets. He would not tell me any of his new ingredients or the magical enzyme that he was using which only becomes active when immersed in water. In fact he smugly suggesting that it was for him to know and for me to find out. It was one of those situations where you know Pete would have eaten him alive but personally I did not/do not have the knowledge to nail his hat on.

The angler in question still uses the bait convinced it has active enzymes, further compounded by the fact the bait does catch its fair share.

That is the sort of thing you are up against.

Lets face it Andy....Any decent mix with soluble ingredients will attract and catch you fish The worrying thing in my mind when enzymes are involved are that because of the vast array of choice coupled with the limited knowledge and sheer disregard of some towards the potential harm to the fish Vs the need to catch,i dare say some would choose the wrong enzymes.Working temperatures of some of these have a far higher band than others and are incorporated into biological washing powders Thermalysin (spelling?) being one of them.

I completely understand where you are coming from Andy.In defence of our enzyme baits,the original release probably saw the most active combo with fish being caught left right and centre.My whinging to pete due to the rolling problems we were experiencing in the heat of summer as the albumen was being attacked very quickly,meant that he had to adjust and tweak.There is a very fine line between good and great when using these additives

Nice post Andy

I think I’d be more worried if the enzyme was still working in the lake

i'll have some
should be a no brainer dean and if you was mainline-gnash etc i'm sure they would be banging on the door m8 , you need lots of media hungry field testers "of worth" to flood the mags , then people will sit up and take notice ..........thats me out of the testing then

dean ,sooner or later fishmel will either be priced out of bait use ,or banned from any use other than animal/aqua feed ,i fear ,
could this stuff turn an orinary alternative to fishmeal into a worthy ingredient ???????????
the holy grail perhaps

Solubility and a decent amino profile will always prevail Paul,but the aim here is to turn whatever proteins are available within a bait into food signals.No more,no less,not so much "holy grail" more "holy censored?" We may have been dormant on these forums and closed the ucn website,but the games continue regardless