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#345074 - 22/12/09 10:49 PM Re: N-BUTYRIC ACID [Re: octopus]
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I know a geezar who puts it in his summer and winter hnv baits.. A quality bait to boot.

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#345075 - 22/12/09 10:51 PM Re: N-BUTYRIC ACID [Re: carpy d4n]
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Can someone elaberate on expensive essential oils and why they are added to baits ?

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#345077 - 22/12/09 11:41 PM Re: N-BUTYRIC ACID [Re: carpy d4n]
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They are natural ingredients and some are excellent carp attractors....garlic, leek, clove, bergamot, black pepper..they are expensive due to the costs of extraction and refinment...but worth the investment...wink
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#345090 - 23/12/09 09:34 PM Re: N-BUTYRIC ACID [Re: Paul Selman]
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Quite cheap off fleabay
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#345123 - 26/12/09 09:23 PM Re: N-BUTYRIC ACID [Re: bivyman]
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"Never mind all the chemical hoo haaa"

I like to know why I include things... it's not that complicated.. NBA has no place in a bait I construct as it adds nothing that cannot be accomplished by altering the pH.... by far cheaper means... thumbsup

The NBA you buy is a flavour.... wave a fairly horrible one to use, try tincture of asofeotida if you are into masochism... thumbsup Belachin comes a poor second to that one.... Eyecrazy
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#345138 - 27/12/09 06:22 PM Re: N-BUTYRIC ACID [Re: Pete B]
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And there was i thinking enlightenment had been achieved.

Asofeotida and black pepper as a flavour combo have caught many a barbel on the kennet in paste form.

Asofeotida is a flavour in it's own right as it's classed as an essential oil(from the onion family ?) and is very similar to what is used in ragi,the paste used for mahseer.
NBa is not an essential oil and not classed as a flavour.

The two are very different,it may stink but there is some form of reaction between Nba and cold water in high attract pop ups.


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#345154 - 28/12/09 10:34 PM Re: N-BUTYRIC ACID [Re: octopus]
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"The two are very different"

Yes, they are, oils are insoluble in water and therefore cannot be classed as a 'flavour' in terms of a carp.... a 'flavour' as we understand it with our very limited chemoreception is not the same in a fish... before anyone hypothesises about what constitutes an attractor to carp, surely there should be a basic understanding of what a carp can detect in the first place???? NBA reacts with cold water? care to expand? under normal circumstances, reactions increase with heat exponentially... thumbsup
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#345158 - 29/12/09 04:07 PM Re: N-BUTYRIC ACID [Re: octopus]
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Originally Posted By: octopus


Should be used in pop ups only.The likes of Solars/Nutrabaits Pineapple n Butric catch fish in the cold...year after year...there it is.



J,

you mention it should be used in pop-ups only, by this I presume you mean single hookbaits only? I cant see how whether a bait is on the bottom or popped up a couple of inches would make any difference, or am I missing something confused

Incidentally I did use NBA in a food bait for a while (at one drop per egg)and caught reasonably well, don't get me wrong I didn't set the world alight but it didn't seem to put them off.

Maybe it was one of those in-spite of, rather than because of things.

Finally jibbed it when I had to redecorate my study after stupidly airdrying 10kg in there! sick
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#345160 - 29/12/09 10:16 PM Re: N-BUTYRIC ACID [Re: kipper the cat]
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Don't know if this helps Pete?




PHYSICAL AND CHEMICAL PROPERTIES

PHYSICAL STATE clear liquid

MELTING POINT -7 - -5 C
BOILING POINT 163 - 165 C

SPECIFIC GRAVITY 0.958
SOLUBILITY IN WATER miscible
pH

VAPOR DENSITY 3
AUTOIGNITION
425 C

REFRACTIVE INDEX
1.3969
NFPA RATINGS
Health: 3 Flammability: 2 Reactivity: 0
FLASH POINT 71 C

STABILITY Stable under ordinary conditions
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#345163 - 30/12/09 09:13 AM Re: N-BUTYRIC ACID [Re: kipper the cat]
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Would anyone on here class this as an accurate description of NBA?

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N-Butyric acid is an important member of the fatty acid sub-group called short chain fatty acids. It’s normally found in rancid butter, parmesan cheese and vomit. It works brilliantly in bait, can be used on it’s own at 0.5ml per 6 eggs but also mixes with most of our other attractors. If you get it on you or on your clothes you are in big trouble, minger.


The reason I ask is I used it in a food bait and did pretty well on it over large beds of bait, using it at 1 drop per egg in conjunction with a sweetener and another flavour. All catches in warm weather.

I know sod all about bait ingredients at a molecular level so have to rely on what I'm told. smile
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