"We boil the xxxx out of most of our baits and I really cant see many of these subtleties surviving the boiling or freezing process"

I forget who originally said that boiling baits destroyed them but I have a nice bullet for them to put them out of their misguided misery..

The boiling and freezing processes can be beneficial.... except to vitamins, which you should not need to include in a balanced bait anyway...

Myths and legends which have become facts in carp fishing lore... Hundreds of them and most concern bait....

But bait emitting the correct signals gives a more positive response, even in semi torpid fish.
The key being correct signals me thinks. . Interesting how different mixes of A/A’s create different locomotive responses..

Still think there something in Several EOG studies,not along the lines of DNA . But what affect these changes have on perception or sensitivity.. for example does taste increase with age ? To put it very simple & poorly

The boiling and freezing processes can be beneficial.... except to vitamins, which you should not need to include in balanced bait anyway

Funny you should mention that .. It was another one of your pointers recently that lead to a different train of thought; I finally now have an idea on how to achieve it.. But there is one little issue with increased Digestibility that worries me.. but it does Open Up other avenues & fits in to my limited time approach well

No need for a nice bullet for me yet..But give it time if this thread carries on much longer

Myths and legends… are what fishing is made off ….

"Interesting how different mixes of A/A’s create different locomotive responses.. "

That it is...... understand what a carp can detect and all becomes as clear as mud... factor in salinity and pH and you have the answer.... still working on it, but getting ever closer.....

What companies release as 'ultimate baits' are simply 'previously unknown' investigation triggers.... most are either salty or acidic, in rare cases they are alkaline, they are all however, just investigation triggers....

Jesus,this only started with a simple question......

Peter,how many times do you have to repeat yourself?

You seem to go round in circles mate!

Give them that want to know the basics,then,let them find out the rest,a little information to someone with an understanding?

Dean,
Times have changed. There is no need to rely know anymore as long as Anglers are happy with what they are paying for & results are forth coming on what ever they decided to use

What companies release as 'ultimate baits' are simply 'previously unknown' investigation triggers.... most are either salty or acidic, in rare cases they are alkaline, they are all however, just investigation triggers....

Sounds a rather damming verdict of the current bait scene , I would ask you to expand more ..but feel you maybe on the receiving end of the silver bullet delivered from behind a fence on a grassy knoll.


.Plus quite a few clues are available in past threads.

Always enjoy the enlightened chats & banter , but I really have to call it a day or we will be going around in circles for weeks talking bait B****88,

Still skeptical thou...

"Still skeptical thou..."

Don't be sceptical, understand, it will bring you more fish...

Dean, circles are complete..... but I will restrict myself to pointers in future...

I have no real opinion on the current bait scene except that innovation and thought has disappeared... except for a few minor players...

Seems this post has decended into the same old bull$hit about "ultimate bait" and has detracted from the original post about NBA,strikes me as though none of you know the reason for which this additive works and the reason for which it is added to any bait in the first place.

We have not reached "cold water" period in this country yet and are getting there slowly,give it a month or so and we might be there,thats when NBA comes into it's own.

Dean,ask John Baker or Tim Hodges why NBA works.

j.

because of its sub-zero melting point, maybe?

"strikes me as though none of you know the reason for which this additive works and the reason for which it is added to any bait in the first place"

Care to enlighten us then...

Have already said i believe it has a use in a cold water environment,allows release of flavours or attractors at low water temp,overflavoured pops with Nba will catch fish. I've never used it in a food bait and wouldn't.

How many of the top bait co's who produce a winter food bait add it...i think can think of only one and it's special order through rollin baits.(Big Bill's trigga pineapple.)

Should be used in pop ups only.The likes of Solars/Nutrabaits Pineapple n Butric catch fish in the cold...year after year...there it is.

I like a pot shot to one egg,3 drops nba,richworth plain pop up mix...ooohhh...fruity esters...bit o cheese...tell me you don't love a cracker...bit of chedder...and a bit of pinneapple and i will call you a fibber pete,it's a poor third to pickle or piccalli i know...but..

Have used both John Bakers and Nutrabaits over the years.

Never mind all the chemical hoo haaa..and why ?...it works,don't know why..just does.

j.