what attractors???
there goes me stone roses cover

Found this which may help?


The presence of some amino acids and dipeptides under the conditions of the salt-induced peptide formation reaction (aqueous solution at 85 °C, Cu(II) and NaCl) has been found to catalyze the formation of homopeptides of other amino acids, which are otherwise produced only in traces or not at all by this reaction. The condensation of Val, Leu and Lys to form their homodipeptides can occur to a considerable extent due to catalytic effects of other amino acids and related compounds, among which glycine, histidine, diglycine and diketopiperazine exhibit the most remarkable activity. These findings also lead to a modification of the table of amino acid sequences preferentially formed by the salt-induced peptide formation (SIPF) reaction, previously used for a comparison with the sequence preferences in membrane proteins of primitive organisms

... Found this which may help?

not in the slightest bivvyman but am forming a better understanding ...slowly..very slowly!!
keep it coming tho folks,what i really need is the chain of events from a fishes point of view from the beginning..and hopefully in penguin book format..pmsl

Obviously i can more than likely be put right and im talking crap


The way i saw it is its a chain reaction ?

Some aminos when they get together form a salt of some sort which in turn reacts with something to form peptides which starts the formation of homodipeptides (building blocks?) of other useful aminos from primitive organisms that carp can detect

Timber..Some of articles are Old so I have put a dates on them ..Other bait Boffs on here might be able to validate if their content is still of value today before you set off on a quest to find them
Tim Paisley's are written in English.. Keith Sykes in Part Boffin..

Nutritional Recognition..Tim Paisley..Carp Fisher 4 Summer 1983
Positive Hydrogen..Tim Paisley.. Carp Fisher 5 Winter 1983
Nature's Design... Tim Paisley.. Carp Now & Then ( Rod Hutchinson)
Heavy Chemistry..Carp.. Tim Paisley & Friends

Carp & their Environment..Simon Horton.. Carp.. Tim Paisley & Friends
Various Chapters in Carp Now & Then, Carp book, The Carp strikes Back..Rod Hutchinson

Olfaction & the Procurment of food in Cyprinus Carpio (Use & Abuse of the Chemical in Carp Baits)…Keith Sykes..Carp Fisher 1 November 1981
Bait & Intent …Keith Sykes..Carp Fisher 3 Summer 1982
Chemoreception…Keith Sykes..Carp Fisher 4 Summer 1983
Proteins & Carbohydrates…Keith Sykes..Carp Fisher 5 Winter 1983
Lipids, Flavours Vitamins & Conclusions..Keith Sykes..Carp Fisher 6 Summer 1984

Chemoreception..Charlie Dally..Carpworld 16 1991

Some Bloke called Pete B done a few in the latter Carp Addict's..after the 1st one (a Classic) I thought he mellowed out a bit

E Books & Articles by Tim Richardson on bait making

No doubt there are many more but after that it's down to the Boffin Books..
Have fun…But don't get to caught up in it or you might lose sight of what a simple game it can be

thanks a lot fellas,i`ve arrived at the destination now and i`m not travelling any further..i think i`m just gonna enjoy without finding out too much.. keeping the mystery alive i hope and cheers for the wise words

"I thought he mellowed out a bit"

I thought I got more 'controversial'... at least Dean thought so... to the extent that you can't say that came up a few times....

Seriously though, many of these 'super' ingredients are more by luck than judgement, NBA is compatable with certain things (I do not use it as it does not fit any bait I use) treat it as a form of catalyst and you won't go far wrong.... what does it effect is the question...

This stuff is interesting to the .00001% interested in chemical formulation of baits and chemoreception potential.. no-one will give a really straight answer on this as we are still learning....

Chemoreception in Fishes.... T J Hara


That's where a lot of articles are derived from... rightly or wrongly...

I enjoyed the abruptness of the 1st article .. I reckon Dean must have hit the panic button after that one

Chemoreception in Fishes.... T J Hara… expensive.. Sensory systems.. Neuroscience..T J Hara & B Zielinski.. A slightly cheaper option. Both of which I can only understand about 1 word in 5

Knowing Bass.. Keith A Jones understandable but with one glaring issue

Perhaps we are losing sight of the difference between an investigation trigger (pH change for example) and a feeding trigger.... both are important, it's just the distance that matters....

Mitsz.... you have gone quiet...