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#344714 - 15/11/09 08:03 PM Re: N-BUTYRIC ACID [Re: Mitsz van der Kamp]
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oops. forgot a bit.

I make a strawberry flavoured birdfood bait that is really good on many waters, but in the park lake behind my house it acts really poorly. A fishmeal bait works really well though. Just the way it is. On another lake I fish it's the other way around.

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#344718 - 15/11/09 09:49 PM Re: N-BUTYRIC ACID [Re: Mitsz van der Kamp]
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ok,up to now although i`m not too enthusiastic about tampering with bait when/where variables are extreme enough on any given stressed out water and time being excessively scarce..without checking the ph of any given water first..n.b acid changes a ph up only(have i got that bit right)..and what additive(thats safe) would need to be added to decrease a baits ph..is there owt that can do this a little..or is the change one dimensional for the trigger??
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#344720 - 15/11/09 10:09 PM Re: N-BUTYRIC ACID [Re: Mitsz van der Kamp]
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"maybe it's time we look at 'attractors' from the baits perspective instead of the carp"

An 'attractor' must be capable of being detected by a carp for it to be 'attractive', obvious I know, but we seem to be losing the plot somewhat.... wall
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#344725 - 16/11/09 12:01 AM Re: N-BUTYRIC ACID [Re: Pete B]
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Forget boilies, load of biollix, get on the naturals, they kick seven shades of shite out of boilies Eliterate


4 fish to 23.5lbs yesterday, in 4 hours...........


Seriously, I will NOT be using boiled baits again for a longgggggggggggggggggg time nono
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#344728 - 16/11/09 02:25 AM Re: N-BUTYRIC ACID [Re: Pete B]
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Originally Posted By: Pete B
"maybe it's time we look at 'attractors' from the baits perspective instead of the carp"

An 'attractor' must be capable of being detected by a carp for it to be 'attractive', obvious I know, but we seem to be losing the plot somewhat.... wall


not so strange if you keep banging the head against the wall. lol

maybe it wasn't really the right choice of words and should I have been a little more specific. But hey... You and your amino's. waste of time

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#344731 - 16/11/09 08:23 AM Re: N-BUTYRIC ACID [Re: Mitsz van der Kamp]
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But hey... You and your amino's. waste of time.. Care to expand on that comment Mitsz ? smile

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#344732 - 16/11/09 09:12 AM Re: N-BUTYRIC ACID [Re: NOTaTIMBER]
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can someone fill in this part of the jigsaw for me below???
its a decent q,come on!..and probably the only one required...or is it irrelevant to attraction and am i better off fishing with shiny clean teeth tongue2




Originally Posted By: NOTaTIMBER
ok,up to now although i`m not too enthusiastic about tampering with bait when/where variables are extreme enough on any given stressed out water and time being excessively scarce..without checking the ph of any given water first..n.b acid changes a ph up only(have i got that bit right)..and what additive(thats safe) would need to be added to decrease a baits ph..is there owt that can do this a little..or is the change one dimensional for the trigger??
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#344741 - 16/11/09 10:39 PM Re: N-BUTYRIC ACID [Re: NOTaTIMBER]
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"You and your amino's. waste of time"

Fcuk me.. I'm going to be converted... wave So, Aminos (specific ones I will admit) do not attract... what, pray tell me, is a food signal to a carp? thumbsup

pH differential is an investigation trigger, it does not induce feeding, it is what the carp finds at the end of that pH trail that does... pH also has a bearing on aminos, salinity also is an investigation trigger.... thumbsup and also has a bearing on aminos..... wall

Banging your head against a wall is nice when it stops, it's just the cause of banging your head against a wall never seems to go away... tongue2

However, all this pales somewhat into insignificance if you actually believe that a carp has the ability to 'recognise' through association a food source... thumbsup
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#344744 - 17/11/09 07:55 AM Re: N-BUTYRIC ACID [Re: Pete B]
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thanks a lot pete..thnk i understand a little more now..its all coming together..i`ve finished my jigsaw and developed the next album cover should the `stone roses` reform lol

i think this side of the bait stuffs are better left to the experts..the ones who know what they`re doing with the edge.. and a view of competing for a place in the future...thats unless someone should clone me approx 5 times to waste my time testing...and if..thats possible,i want 5 cheryl coles as my bivvy maids...thanks notworthy notworthy closed lol
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#344749 - 17/11/09 10:08 PM Re: N-BUTYRIC ACID [Re: NOTaTIMBER]
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As already stated,it's not an attractor (Nba),it allows the attractors to work at low water temp... wall

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