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#345199 - 02/01/10 10:07 PM Re: N-BUTYRIC ACID [Re: DEAN C]
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Hi Dean ..sent you a PM smile

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#345202 - 03/01/10 12:07 AM Re: N-BUTYRIC ACID [Re: hunters moon]
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"When combined with alcohol produces an ester"


And i presume that ester is pineapple flavouring?


So adding nba will enhance pineapple flavoured baits at low temp?
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#345208 - 03/01/10 07:26 AM Re: N-BUTYRIC ACID [Re: bivyman]
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Pm read and replied lol
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#345213 - 03/01/10 02:06 PM Re: N-BUTYRIC ACID [Re: DEAN C]
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Depends if the EA flavour you have used is pineapple,the addition of Nba type products to produce an ester reaction is used to "enhance" the flavour of many fruit based liquids.

Look at the molecular structure of both Nba and ethanol molecules,nearly identical in components,carbon,hydrogen and oxygen,to the extent that they almost cancel each other out,but not quite !

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#345237 - 05/01/10 10:30 PM Re: N-BUTYRIC ACID [Re: octopus]
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"many fruit based liquids."

May I just add the word synthetic to that, place it where you feel most appropriate... thumbsup

'Smell' to us is recognition based, carp have no such association, I go back to what a carp can detect.... wall circles, circles, nothing but circles, and no way out of the circle.... wave

Carboxypeptidase beta has esterease properties... what does that mean?

You are looking at molecular structure, which is good, only ignoring what receptors a carp has to work with.. tongue2
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#345239 - 06/01/10 12:16 AM Re: N-BUTYRIC ACID [Re: Pete B]
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Interesting, recogition basis in fish, even the tabloids are onto it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/a...ber-months.html
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#345257 - 06/01/10 10:31 PM Re: N-BUTYRIC ACID [Re: saggybelly]
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A carp can detect noise/music in fact anything that creates a vibration or molecular transfer of energy in water, I am talking about substances in the water they have no receptors to sense.... thumbsup
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#345259 - 06/01/10 11:50 PM Re: N-BUTYRIC ACID [Re: Pete B]
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Lets talk about what they can sense then, lets say hypothetically that they can sense something in your bait, so lets say for arguments sake we could extend this associative basis to food recognition.

Lets do a bit of prebaiting cool


Edited by saggybelly (06/01/10 11:51 PM)
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#345280 - 07/01/10 08:20 PM Re: N-BUTYRIC ACID [Re: saggybelly]
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Orange juice from concentrate.

But they can detect natural sugars...developed through the fermentation process...?

Synthetic can go down here.

j.

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#345285 - 07/01/10 10:30 PM Re: N-BUTYRIC ACID [Re: octopus]
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They can detect monosaccharides.... I am not sure where you are going with this one Octopus... confused
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