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#342644 - 02/08/09 08:31 PM Bait buffs opinions please.
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What do you think of this?

4k L.T. 94
1k Pre-digested Fishmeal
1k Blood Powder
2.5k Maize Meal
1k Blue Cheese powder
0.5k Whey Protein Concentrate
300 ml Olive Oil


Then either -

300 ml Minamino
40ml Flavour (old school very successful attractor)


or -

500g Anhydrous Betain
500g G.L.M extract




Digestability? Useability? Rollability? Any ingredients that are unnecessary or could be substituted for cheaper but equally effective alternatives?

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#342651 - 02/08/09 10:30 PM Re: Bait buffs opinions please. [Re: Johnny Beck]
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There seems to be a nation wide shortage of LT94 J.B, I don't know whether this will be your first stumbling block.
You could be a very popular man if you have a stock pile/suplier!!!
Not a very positive post I admit, but maybe one of the proper bait men could tell us which is the best replacement/compromise.

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#342652 - 02/08/09 10:44 PM Re: Bait buffs opinions please. [Re: Paul F]
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cc moores now have LT94 back in stock thumbsup


Edited by maple (02/08/09 10:45 PM)
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#342656 - 03/08/09 02:33 AM Re: Bait buffs opinions please. [Re: Johnny Beck]
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Not a bait buff, just a passing interest in making bait that comes and goes depending upon if I can be bothered messing around.

Could be wrong, but I am fairly sure you will need some binders to get that to work and roll.
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#342659 - 03/08/09 12:25 PM Re: Bait buffs opinions please. [Re: andy jack]
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Maize meal is very low in terms of nutritional value.....wink

Are you using this as the binder? cwm3
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#342661 - 03/08/09 01:16 PM Re: Bait buffs opinions please. [Re: Paul Selman]
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Andy/Paul

Yep, maize meal is to be the binder, figured I may need to lower the quantities of fishmeals slightly to get it to bind.

I've also got half a mind on the binder being something that the fish can move through its gut easily and quickly. Not sure if Maize meal is suitable or not to be honest or if there are better ingredients available to achieve this.

Paul,

Aiming roughly for something with between 30 and 40% digestible/usable protein with enough lipids to satisfy energy demands and spare the protien.

Been about 15 years since I laid a hand on a rolling table and even longer since I faffed about with ingredients (Dumping 10ml of vanilla essence in some semo!), so forgive me any obvious mistakes that I may have made.

With price being something of a consideration, I'm just looking to put something together that is recognisable as food and is easily digestible.

If I'm honest I've caught a few this year on homemade hookers and I've gleaned a little bit of satisfaction from doing so. I'd forgotten how nice it is to catch 'em on something you've made yourself. I've also got something specific in mind (It's nothing earth shattering!) that I want to try doing with the base mix.

Once again, any feedback will be graciously received.
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#342665 - 03/08/09 06:46 PM Re: Bait buffs opinions please. [Re: Johnny Beck]
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Quote:
4k L.T. 94
1k Pre-digested Fishmeal
1k Blood Powder
2.5k Maize Meal
1k Blue Cheese powder
0.5k Whey Protein Concentrate
300 ml Olive Oil

Then either -

300 ml Minamino
40ml Flavour (old school very successful attractor)

or -

500g Anhydrous Betain
500g G.L.M extract


Blood Powder, too much and you end up with bait like bullets, even with a short boil, also eels love the stuff, personally I dont use more than 3% in a mix, 1/2 Kilo in 16K's of base mix, (your proposed rate is 10% of a 10K mix, you'll have cannon balls :)).Some expensive bits and bobs there, most definetley heavy on the Pre Digested FM, again, I use this at 3% of the mix, I cant comment on the Blue Cheese as I've never used it, and I always use semo as the binder, (3K's in 16K's), I dont use any oils as the LT94 content is OK in this respect, (PeteB will probably say I'm talking Biollix thumbsup.)

I make bait in batches using 15 eggs,Betaine and GLM I add to the mix when making bait at the rate of a heaped teaspoon of each per 6 eggs, oh, and 28 gramms of Eqivite as well, its a horse tonic....verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry old school additive.
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#342716 - 05/08/09 06:57 AM Re: Bait buffs opinions please. [Re: DanDare]
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the groundbait mix i was using john..chicken meal and roasted peanut..i was told to add maize meal, soya flour and semo..to get it to a paste to stick round my boilies for distance baiting..a ten mm at 140 yards when the paste breaks down feels good tho..dont know about boiling tho m8!!!
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#342727 - 05/08/09 07:54 PM Re: Bait buffs opinions please. [Re: Johnny Beck]
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4k L.T. 94
1k Pre-digested Fishmeal
1k Blood Powder
2.5k Maize Meal
1k Blue Cheese powder
0.5k Whey Protein Concentrate
300 ml Olive Oil

Then either -

300 ml Minamino
40ml Flavour (old school very successful attractor)

or -

500g Anhydrous Betain
500g G.L.M extract

Drop the LT94 and use Provimi 66, similar in amino acid profile and much cheaper, drop the pre-digested, it does nothing,replace Maize meal with good old Semo, get rid of Blue cheese powder and get some Lamlac in there, Drop blood powder and Whey and put a kilo of Soya meal in.....

Don't bother with Olive oil, use peanut (ground nut) oil...

Don't flavour it... whoever first said that flavours were attractants should be shot, many times... they are not... bash

Apart from that JB, it's a good mix and I would use it with confidence.... thumbsup
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#342733 - 05/08/09 09:49 PM Re: Bait buffs opinions please. [Re: Pete B]
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Apart from that JB, it's a good mix


LOL@pete after you compleatly changed the mix smile

But you are right as usal smile


Also add some spice, ti 7 spice is a good starting point smile
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