Like it Pete! They are excellent refinements to that base mix. I would also use that mix with confidence. Also, a man after my own heart..........No artificial flavours.......Nice one!

As you know Pete I like to put the odd base mix together here and there. I always field test them fishing only the base ingredients. Its a confidence booster to know that the base mix itself is sought out and eaten by carp. It shows, if the base mix is on the money, that the carp are eating it for what it is............and not because it's pretending to be something else. if that makes sense? It kind of did in my head....lol!

Opinions please?

Minamino.....I am not convinced it is the attractor it is often cracked up to be. In fact, if given the choice I would always go for CSL instead. The active, bottle exploding if it gets too warm variety.

Can you please expand upon that a little Pete?

I always assumed being soluble it would be something for the fish to home in on and investigate?

i`d like to know that too.people rave on about predigested and the price for enzyme treated jeese!,is the price of it just hyped for anglers supply and demand because of the faze and not the knowing the why..sure be nice to know???

Thanks for the replies gents, it's a rare pleasure on here at the moment.

Fair amount of disagreements and opinions, which is what I was after.......So.......if I try and set out my reasons for using the ingredients I did please feel free to disagree, or correct me.

4k L.T. 94

Protien, - Good Amino Acid Profile - Does it matter? - lipid, attraction - Food!

1k Pre-digested Fishmeal

All of the above - As people have said is it worth it? - I've just googled it - Does predigesting (in this product) mean removing oils but leaving pollyunsaturated fatty acids?

1k Blood Powder

Colour, hardness and food again, plus from the sources I looked at and presuming I didn't make a mistake, then the amino acid profile of Blood meal compliments fishmeal - Is that correct and does it matter?

2.5k Maize Meal

Binder, plain and simple plus Carbs - If they Matter! - Bind it all up and hopefully allow the carp to sh1t it all out again quickly and efficiently - Does that matter?

1k Blue Cheese powder

Maybe a bit of protein, probably a bit more lipid, salt it says in the bumph - Does that Matter? - but generally there as something to attract the fish that they like eating - Does it? Do they?

0.5k Whey Protein Concentrate

Binding. Rolling. - Does it?

300 ml Olive Oil

Rolling. Lipid and because of it's linoleic acid content - Is that relevant?

300 ml Minamino
40ml Flavour (old school very successful attractor)

or -

500g Anhydrous Betain
500g G.L.M extract

Attractors. To make the fish investigate, eat and want to eat again, the bait.



I should add to that, pre-baiting is not really much of an option. I've got 3 very busy venues, with pressured fish in mind. I either fish short 5 hourish day trips or overnighters and rarely fish more than 20 or so hours in a week. I want to fish small baits.


One final thing, what are peoples feelings about Lamlac? do you use it? Why?

Andy, the purpose of the pre-digested is to improve the biological value of the bait (thus its digestability) in the gut, after eating, not prior....

Pete, I think Sesame Seed Oil would be a better bet than the one you suggest (agreed yours is better than Olive Oil), plus SSO does provide a 'smell' label to the bait...

SSO in the bait and then coated neat on baits have a good track history in Kent...a certain Dr Ian Brown, did very well.....

Pete, I also agree that semolina is a much better choice than the maize meal, which from memory is quite coarse. Marginally better nutritionally and the ultimate binder. Most ready mades are packed with semolina....

Also agree on the GLM as a source of natural betaine. Beware many comanies are selling dodgy GLM, only trust the big companies. If this is too costly then Betaine HCI must be in there or Finnstim.

Never used lamlac....is this a similiar ingredient to the old soya isolate? Or alternatively, the old lactein 75?

Lamlac… used it in Pete B’s mix, but as an ingredient it seems to cause me problems when mixed with certain other ingredients.. Good in a paste thou..

Johnny B/ Paul ..Lamlac.. from the label on the bag..
Ingredients
>40% Whey Protein Powder, 10-25% Blended Vegetable Oil,0-10% Hydrolysed WheatGluten, 0-10%Calclum Carbonate, 0-10% Vitamins & Minerals, 0-10% DL Methionine, 0-10% Citric Acid,0-10% Antioxidant BHT E321
Analysis
Oil-24%
Protien-24%
Fibre-Nil
Copper 3mg/Kg
Ash-7%
Vitamin A- 50,000 lu/kg
Vitamin D3-6000 lu/kg
Vitamin E-100 lu/kg

I ended up dropping it for seaweed & changed the levels of the other bits in Pete’s mix ... No doubt he will strike me down for ruining a good base mix

Sesame Seed Oil..Mmm lovely sort of nutty of smell, I use it on the rolling table to stop baits sticking to it

The whole enzyme/pre-digested thing.. I could never work out if nutrition was actually lost at the cost of attraction.. but then again I’m not the brightest

Whey Protein, excellent rolling properties, also made from milk, cheaper than Caseins, also milk products,I use blood only 'cause I've got some and dont have a problem with eels where I'm fishing

seame oil and rayners condensed milk :-)

Paul what you mean by "dodgy" GLM? old stock?

No Vader, there are different grades of GLM and there is high quality and low quality, it all depends on the manufacturing and stabilising process. This is reflected in the price.

Some of the smaller companies selling GLM at cheap prices can only be selling the inferior product....

Yes i use lamblac very creamy smelling i have a good sniff every time i open the bucket to add it to my mix luverly mmmmmmmm