ok, say the bait dosent get eaten in 7/14 days on a bland bed in winter..will the carp still get the max nutritional value out of that bait.. should it find and eat it and tufties aint found it first???

The bait will decay and if not eaten will contribute to the overall background protein count, the carp will inadvertantly benefit, you are obviously questioning an area you don't understand, can you be specific on what you want to know please....

Tut tut peter, the fella asked a fair question,at least give an answer without the mockery please mate?

Can i ask what baits we are actually talking about here?Are we talking about our baits or just food baits generally?Shelfies,? etc,for as to give an accurate answer,we first need to ascertain the baits makeup before an answer can be given!!!!

Going by post No1 i would say homemades

It was always Fred Wilton's contention - and I agree with him and Pete is also agreeing (I think) that by using HNV baits any baits that are not eaten by the carp enrich the water itself, leading to an increase in water life and plants etc. due to the added nutrients... Over a period of time waters greatly benefit from the use of HNV baits...

I also think that when a HNV bait leaves the gut (i.e. is crapped out) by the fish this also contributes to this effect....

I have seen the carp in my own lakes feeding on the excrement of other carp directly as the surplus food is crapped out....

Sorry, can't stop myself... whatever the composition it will contribute to the overall background protein count (assuming the bait has a protien content) ...

Volume of water is the key, the smaller, the more vulnerable it is to overbaiting causing Nitrate or Nitrite? overload..

Besides, everyone knows Timber is a......

Pete, is right in a small pond it is important not to overload the pond with baits.....as an old user of amino acids in the 1970's the exponents of these baits at the time warned against over-use in small ponds...

100% Paul, Protein not used directly by a carp (eaten) will be utilised by the organisms in the water... it will enrich the water.... not to be tried in a garden pond though...

Not even a stream fed one with a dam end pete????

Prepare a good filtraion system....