Pete put that post up and locked it in the hope that someone would start a thread and hopefully answer the questions put forward. They have and we havn't locked it as Pete said we wouldn't! We WILL lock the thread if people start having personal digs or it turns into a FW v RMC thread, which believe it or not its not meant to be! Just some questions about current fish strains and those strains going forward.

So in answer to the original quote, no it wasn't an abuse of Mod status at all, it was put there to be noticed and to hopefully start a debate which it has!

Singy
Looks like RMC are getting their act together on their stockings, good luck.

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I reckon Peter B should go fishing more instead of trying a fruitless exercise of trying to find politics in carp angling that no-one gave a crap about before and were happy just going fishing, now rumours and bullshit have started these ill feelings.

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I always thought it was the carp society and then later ECHO that were trying to find the politics and all this time it was Pete B

Mark

I reckon Peter B should go fishing more instead of trying a fruitless exercise of trying to find politics in carp angling that no-one gave a crap about before and were happy just going fishing, now rumours and bullshit have started these ill feelings.

The above statement couldn't be further from the truth, the questions Pete ask concern the very future of Carp fishing in this country I think there are plenty of people out there who DO give a crap about that.
We currently have a situation where we are being told that the future of carp fishing in this country lies with homegrown fish. This is being accepted in many cases without question, yet there is nothing but rhetoric to back this up. Further to this the people behind this rhetoric have a vested interest i.e. they are in the business of producing English Carp. Have you ever heard an English Car manufacturer say that German cars are of a superior build quality?
Let’s talk history and heritage as they are the buzzwords, but not the distorted censored heritage you may get in other places. Our carp fishing history and heritage lies firmly with the legal importation of quality strains of fish. Our current and previous records are/were legal imports. It is that policy that has provided us with so many wonderful fish and as such it is fair to conclude that is has worked well and worked well since the very first Carp imported into the country. Yet we are now being told that we should turn our back on all that true history and heritage and embrace a new prefabricated heritage?
The fact is we are being told to gambol the future of carp fishing on fish that have no track record. We don’t know how big they will grow or how long they will live, and that is the basis of Pete’s questions. Questions that are simply not tolerated if posted in the wrong place.
So tell me this who will hold their hands up and be accountable if in 20 years our Carp are peaking at high 40s and are only living 15-20 years? What we are doing is potentially arming a time bomb that could very well blow up in our faces. But that wont happen will it because we will have the fish from legal imports to fall back on wont we? Well as it happens I don’t think we will, because this is a pincer movement. Not only are we being told that the future lies in English Carp but also indoctrinated that imports are a dirty word and best avoided at all costs.
Don’t get me wrong if the English strains prove to be winners then that will be great, but at best they should be treated just as another option.
In my opinion a movement set up to stop the barbaric practice of illegal imports has had its good intentions mugged and is being used as a marketing tool for English carp producers.
In the words of Jim Royal Heritage My Are*e!!!

Well said Andy

Out of curiousity, is the common BB refers to the burghfield fish? I'm sure someone will correct ME if i'm wrong, as i haven't a clue about the fishes' history!

Rob

Err... cant we review the situation when that arises (i.e. fish aint doing what we want to?) rather than scare mongering now?

Surely, at the moment, the current solution is best?

Only a thought....

Err... cant we review the situation when that arises (i.e. fish aint doing what we want to?) rather than scare mongering now?

Surely, at the moment, the current solution is best?

Only a thought....

What wait 15-20 years and then decide we have dropped a major boo boo and then wait another 15-20 to repair the damage?
Wouldn’t it be best to keep with what we know works for a fact, until a proven viable option is available. Please consider it is not me who is suggesting change. I am suggesting keeping things as they have been for our whole carp fishing history.

Andy, thats the best post ive read on here in a long time.

Newbury, wont it be a little late to review things when or if they do go arse-up?

English carp breeders Cannot cope with the current market as it is now, Symmonds fish are sold out every year?
Surely people should have a choice, as long as its legal, people should not interfere.

Andy just about sums it up,the UK bred fish are just another option as yet largely unproven in potential over the longer term.
They`ll have to be price competitive as fishery owners are not going to to swayed by a bit of flag waving rhetoric.
With the enlargement of the EU you can justifiably expect an increase in the numbers of legal imports heading our way.

A case of not putting all of ones eggs in one basket???

dead interesting thread.
well said andy

Sutton has done fish to 45, with rather a nice selction of backups - all spawned in the lake, and fisher pond stockies are doing rather well in a number of waters (Horton has a couple approaching 40, and a number of 30's after 5/6 years). Places like K1 and the pads are also massive successes, and much more interestign to the bulk of carpers.
As a member (not a mod) RMC have the most forward thinking and succesful stocking policy in the country. If anyone can name someone who even comes close, I'd be most impressed.