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#107049 - 05/07/02 05:57 PM taylor park st helens
derek snr Offline
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anybody fished lately,any idea of tactics/fish stocks

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#107050 - 05/07/02 07:44 PM Re: taylor park st helens
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Fish stocks...

Ask the lads on Taylor or Leg O' Mutton, Derek.

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#107051 - 05/07/02 07:46 PM Re: taylor park st helens
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walked to it one night from canny farm and that was with the gear many moons ago


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#107052 - 06/07/02 08:26 AM Re: taylor park st helens
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Paul
You forgot to mention Eccy mere, my mate caught a fish last week and they call it the Taylor park mirror.

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#107053 - 06/07/02 08:45 AM Re: taylor park st helens
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Two known low twenties, Scabby and The Italian, pictures in the boat house.

A fair number of double figure commons up to 17 ish.

A bigger number of "pasties" that were kindly contributed by St Helens AA after living in the Leg o Mutton for a very short time.

The intoduction of the pasties seems to have livened up the older fish that survived, as the double figure commons have not really been a feature in years gone by, but came out fairly regularly in April and May, which is when people seem to fish it.

They are rumoured to have lived in Carr Mill many years ago - anyone like to comment ;-)

A mid twenty common died last spring.

Walk round on a sunny day, they are fairly easy to see in the corners.

The bream are putting on weight, and like carp tactics. Up to a confirmed 8-14 this year, doubles next spring ?

Five pound eel found dead last month, by me.

Tactics. Scabby seems partial to a single bright pop up. Lots of Trigga went in early on this year. PVA bags, pellets and Bioplex catch lots of bream ;-(
Follow the wind.

The popular approach, though, is to put your bivvy up in the bushes opposite Moxon Street, cast three rods out, drink stella all weekend and leave your cans under the trees.

So now your up to date. For those interested, the carp moving seems to have shifted to the Paddock these days, which now contains most of the fish from the Legger and Mill Dam, and is quite prolific, producing 20 pound commons for gods sake !

Course, no one moves fish in St Helens, just as no one leaves carrier bags full of rubbish hanging from railings for the rubbish fairy to move !!

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#107054 - 06/07/02 03:59 PM Re: taylor park st helens
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The big commons referred to may have been the result of an illegal stocking some 20 years ago (it wasn't me either). Up until that time, Taylor Park didn't have any carp in at all. A number of carp (about 12 from what I remember) were taken from Carriage Drive (Pilks water) and were mainly commons between 4 and 6 pounds. Over the next few years the individual that 'stocked' them went on to catch some of them and they were slowly putting on weight. This resulted in a few others starting to fish the place. I saw pictures of them as they were about to be 'stocked'. I know that one of the commons got caught some years later at 17lb+ and my contact confirmed that it was one that he had 'stocked'.

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#107055 - 06/07/02 04:47 PM Re: taylor park st helens
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I think you're right Paul.

When John Bryhn (Spodder) and I were fishing Leg O'Mutton circa 1980-81 I don't think Taylor contained any carp. That was of course, over 20 years ago. Yes, we go that far back!

In fact, I recall an opening night in 1980 when John and I were the only ones fishing the water. I recollect I caught an 8lb 'er and John blanked - no change there then!

Only joking John me old mate!

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#107056 - 06/07/02 06:56 PM Re: taylor park st helens
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Hmm. It contained carp in 78/79 when I was pike fishing it. If you remember at that time, it was full of Canadian Pondweed all summer, and some guy was in the local press with a big bream.

(Anyway, Ronnie Pendleton saw a 30 lb common several times)

Some carp did go in from Carridge, they went in everywere. They were from a spawning in 1976. They also went in from Carr Mill and the Hotties, too.

Scabby was from a little pit in Haydock that was being filled in, and was 18 lb back then. Old fish.
The Italian is an old Legger Fish.

I remember when people said there were no Carp in the Mere, too. Thank goodness for deadbaits, eh ;-)

Did you ever get the legger 20, Paul ?

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#107057 - 07/07/02 11:30 AM Re: taylor park st helens
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I never really looked at Taylor back then, I was fishing around Brum in 78/79.

Knowsley fished it later and tried to persuade me to fish it but I never did. I wrote an article about it in an old Carpworld - there was a picture looking through the railings. Funnily enough I remember going because I ran over the wife's foot reversing out!

I never got the Legger twenty - although I lost it at the net once. The lad I fished a lot with at the time young Gary (Pilkington?) had it at 22. Kev Dunne also had it at 22.

I do recollect catching the Half-Tail leather, an upper double common and The Football? I suspected the Taylor Italian was from legger.

Fat Ronnie was always seeing thirties, wherever he went. He was quite a character - and the St Helens group was like the mafia, with Fat Ronnie as the Don. I remember him describing a fish in a slide show he saw in a little pads water near Kirkby (can't remember the name - Golden Lion club?) as being 'as big as t'Honda seat.' And showing a picture of Gary Brandwood who he had fell out with and starting off by saying, 'see this bastard, when I catch up wi' 'im....!'

Is he still alive?

Gary of course tattered Redes last year or thereabouts.

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#107058 - 07/07/02 01:41 PM Re: taylor park st helens
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I spoke to one of Ronnies old pals when I was fishing at Rainford recently. He tells me he is heavily into the neighbourhood watch scene in Parr. His agression is obviously being effectively channelled these days.

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