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#107049 - taylor park st helens
derek snr Offline
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anybody fished lately,any idea of tactics/fish stocks

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#107050 - Re: taylor park st helens
Paul Selman Offline


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Fish stocks...

Ask the lads on Taylor or Leg O' Mutton, Derek.

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#107051 - Re: taylor park st helens
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walked to it one night from canny farm and that was with the gear many moons ago


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#107052 - Re: taylor park st helens
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You forgot to mention Eccy mere, my mate caught a fish last week and they call it the Taylor park mirror.

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#107053 - Re: taylor park st helens
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Two known low twenties, Scabby and The Italian, pictures in the boat house.

A fair number of double figure commons up to 17 ish.

A bigger number of "pasties" that were kindly contributed by St Helens AA after living in the Leg o Mutton for a very short time.

The intoduction of the pasties seems to have livened up the older fish that survived, as the double figure commons have not really been a feature in years gone by, but came out fairly regularly in April and May, which is when people seem to fish it.

They are rumoured to have lived in Carr Mill many years ago - anyone like to comment ;-)

A mid twenty common died last spring.

Walk round on a sunny day, they are fairly easy to see in the corners.

The bream are putting on weight, and like carp tactics. Up to a confirmed 8-14 this year, doubles next spring ?

Five pound eel found dead last month, by me.

Tactics. Scabby seems partial to a single bright pop up. Lots of Trigga went in early on this year. PVA bags, pellets and Bioplex catch lots of bream ;-(
Follow the wind.

The popular approach, though, is to put your bivvy up in the bushes opposite Moxon Street, cast three rods out, drink stella all weekend and leave your cans under the trees.

So now your up to date. For those interested, the carp moving seems to have shifted to the Paddock these days, which now contains most of the fish from the Legger and Mill Dam, and is quite prolific, producing 20 pound commons for gods sake !

Course, no one moves fish in St Helens, just as no one leaves carrier bags full of rubbish hanging from railings for the rubbish fairy to move !!

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#107054 - Re: taylor park st helens
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The big commons referred to may have been the result of an illegal stocking some 20 years ago (it wasn't me either). Up until that time, Taylor Park didn't have any carp in at all. A number of carp (about 12 from what I remember) were taken from Carriage Drive (Pilks water) and were mainly commons between 4 and 6 pounds. Over the next few years the individual that 'stocked' them went on to catch some of them and they were slowly putting on weight. This resulted in a few others starting to fish the place. I saw pictures of them as they were about to be 'stocked'. I know that one of the commons got caught some years later at 17lb+ and my contact confirmed that it was one that he had 'stocked'.

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#107055 - Re: taylor park st helens
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I think you're right Paul.

When John Bryhn (Spodder) and I were fishing Leg O'Mutton circa 1980-81 I don't think Taylor contained any carp. That was of course, over 20 years ago. Yes, we go that far back!

In fact, I recall an opening night in 1980 when John and I were the only ones fishing the water. I recollect I caught an 8lb 'er and John blanked - no change there then!

Only joking John me old mate!

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#107056 - Re: taylor park st helens
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Hmm. It contained carp in 78/79 when I was pike fishing it. If you remember at that time, it was full of Canadian Pondweed all summer, and some guy was in the local press with a big bream.

(Anyway, Ronnie Pendleton saw a 30 lb common several times)

Some carp did go in from Carridge, they went in everywere. They were from a spawning in 1976. They also went in from Carr Mill and the Hotties, too.

Scabby was from a little pit in Haydock that was being filled in, and was 18 lb back then. Old fish.
The Italian is an old Legger Fish.

I remember when people said there were no Carp in the Mere, too. Thank goodness for deadbaits, eh ;-)

Did you ever get the legger 20, Paul ?

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#107057 - Re: taylor park st helens
Paul Selman Offline


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I never really looked at Taylor back then, I was fishing around Brum in 78/79.

Knowsley fished it later and tried to persuade me to fish it but I never did. I wrote an article about it in an old Carpworld - there was a picture looking through the railings. Funnily enough I remember going because I ran over the wife's foot reversing out!

I never got the Legger twenty - although I lost it at the net once. The lad I fished a lot with at the time young Gary (Pilkington?) had it at 22. Kev Dunne also had it at 22.

I do recollect catching the Half-Tail leather, an upper double common and The Football? I suspected the Taylor Italian was from legger.

Fat Ronnie was always seeing thirties, wherever he went. He was quite a character - and the St Helens group was like the mafia, with Fat Ronnie as the Don. I remember him describing a fish in a slide show he saw in a little pads water near Kirkby (can't remember the name - Golden Lion club?) as being 'as big as t'Honda seat.' And showing a picture of Gary Brandwood who he had fell out with and starting off by saying, 'see this bastard, when I catch up wi' 'im....!'

Is he still alive?

Gary of course tattered Redes last year or thereabouts.

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#107058 - Re: taylor park st helens
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I spoke to one of Ronnies old pals when I was fishing at Rainford recently. He tells me he is heavily into the neighbourhood watch scene in Parr. His agression is obviously being effectively channelled these days.

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#107059 - Re: taylor park st helens
Paul Selman Offline


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He'll need to be in Parr!

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#107060 - Re: taylor park st helens
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Made me smile lads. Thanks for the memories.

I have a pic of the italian when I had it at 13lb out of legger.

The fish in Taylor have certainly had their passports stamped a few times.

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#107061 - Re: taylor park st helens
Paul Prescott Offline
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John, I did catch the twenty, I caught it 7 times actually. 22lb something, then 18lb something then 5 times between 17 and 18. The weight loss was when it was getting old and died a couple of years after this I think. I also had the half tail grey leather that Paul refers to on about 5 occasions biggest about 17lbs. I had the football, also known as the egg, only once, at 16lb something. I also had the orange spot about 4 times. I caught a few commons between 6 and 12lb that later went on to become twenties. I saw pictures of them at over twenty and when you compared them to the pictures I had from many years previous you could clearly tell they were the same.

I also had 'spot' out of the Paddock a few times up to about 15lb. I had the big one out of Mill Dam at about 13lb!!! that was big for Mill Dam.

Paul, do you remember fishing with a guy called Ian Pilkington? He was one of my fishing partners at the time and I remember one night you and he getting talking and you took him on a few trips to different places. You also lent me a Heron buzzer that night!!! You were fishing with someone called 'Big Bob' I think. I remember a couple of guys coming on that night with torches all over the place and Big Bob shouting across the Legger 'Who the f*** d'ya think you are, a f****** lighthouse keeper'.

Those were the days.

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#107062 - Re: taylor park st helens
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My Legger Twenty memory is quite amusing. It would have been about 1978, and all us local spezzies were on there with our T24s, after the 20. I had em going on trout pellet paste, ahead of my time, eh. From memory, the cast list would have been me, Paul Whittle, Ste Barker, Gaz Brandwood, Hermit, Dave Jones and probably a few others. A young kid, Andy, turns up one evening and pulls the twenty out on single maggot in front of our very eyes. Lo and behold, he turned up a few weeks later, with a scowl and two 11'6" Conolex rods and caught the bloody thing again !!

Paul, you caught it seven times ! Did you have no more permits ? Surely it wasnt for its looks !

And Singy, its ok going on about memories. Next time youre up for a wedding, bring a 36 with you ;-)

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#107063 - Re: taylor park st helens
singy Offline
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I had the legger 20, only it was called the old 20 when I had it. It weighed 18lb. It was one of the first carp I caught. I remember staying the night before in a tent in the back garden with my mate as it was going to be an early start and my folks did not want waking up.

The rods were strapped to the bike and we cycled to legger from Billinge. At the time I had a glass North Western 2lb tc 10 foot rod. I blagged a bag of floater cake of Dean Martin (not the singer )

I managed to get every fish in the place taking off the top, halfway along the piggy bank. Hours later and after missing what seemed like hundreds of takes, this huge fish latched onto my bait. 15 mins later and the fish wouldn't fit into my tiny net. A borrowed net later the fish was mine.

I always regret the fact that I was totally unprepared, no net, no camera and no pic of a pb that lasted for 5 years.

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