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#107049 - taylor park st helens
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anybody fished lately,any idea of tactics/fish stocks

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#107050 - Re: taylor park st helens
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Fish stocks...

Ask the lads on Taylor or Leg O' Mutton, Derek.

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#107051 - Re: taylor park st helens
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walked to it one night from canny farm and that was with the gear many moons ago


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#107052 - Re: taylor park st helens
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You forgot to mention Eccy mere, my mate caught a fish last week and they call it the Taylor park mirror.

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#107053 - Re: taylor park st helens
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Two known low twenties, Scabby and The Italian, pictures in the boat house.

A fair number of double figure commons up to 17 ish.

A bigger number of "pasties" that were kindly contributed by St Helens AA after living in the Leg o Mutton for a very short time.

The intoduction of the pasties seems to have livened up the older fish that survived, as the double figure commons have not really been a feature in years gone by, but came out fairly regularly in April and May, which is when people seem to fish it.

They are rumoured to have lived in Carr Mill many years ago - anyone like to comment ;-)

A mid twenty common died last spring.

Walk round on a sunny day, they are fairly easy to see in the corners.

The bream are putting on weight, and like carp tactics. Up to a confirmed 8-14 this year, doubles next spring ?

Five pound eel found dead last month, by me.

Tactics. Scabby seems partial to a single bright pop up. Lots of Trigga went in early on this year. PVA bags, pellets and Bioplex catch lots of bream ;-(
Follow the wind.

The popular approach, though, is to put your bivvy up in the bushes opposite Moxon Street, cast three rods out, drink stella all weekend and leave your cans under the trees.

So now your up to date. For those interested, the carp moving seems to have shifted to the Paddock these days, which now contains most of the fish from the Legger and Mill Dam, and is quite prolific, producing 20 pound commons for gods sake !

Course, no one moves fish in St Helens, just as no one leaves carrier bags full of rubbish hanging from railings for the rubbish fairy to move !!

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#107054 - Re: taylor park st helens
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The big commons referred to may have been the result of an illegal stocking some 20 years ago (it wasn't me either). Up until that time, Taylor Park didn't have any carp in at all. A number of carp (about 12 from what I remember) were taken from Carriage Drive (Pilks water) and were mainly commons between 4 and 6 pounds. Over the next few years the individual that 'stocked' them went on to catch some of them and they were slowly putting on weight. This resulted in a few others starting to fish the place. I saw pictures of them as they were about to be 'stocked'. I know that one of the commons got caught some years later at 17lb+ and my contact confirmed that it was one that he had 'stocked'.

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#107055 - Re: taylor park st helens
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I think you're right Paul.

When John Bryhn (Spodder) and I were fishing Leg O'Mutton circa 1980-81 I don't think Taylor contained any carp. That was of course, over 20 years ago. Yes, we go that far back!

In fact, I recall an opening night in 1980 when John and I were the only ones fishing the water. I recollect I caught an 8lb 'er and John blanked - no change there then!

Only joking John me old mate!

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#107056 - Re: taylor park st helens
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Hmm. It contained carp in 78/79 when I was pike fishing it. If you remember at that time, it was full of Canadian Pondweed all summer, and some guy was in the local press with a big bream.

(Anyway, Ronnie Pendleton saw a 30 lb common several times)

Some carp did go in from Carridge, they went in everywere. They were from a spawning in 1976. They also went in from Carr Mill and the Hotties, too.

Scabby was from a little pit in Haydock that was being filled in, and was 18 lb back then. Old fish.
The Italian is an old Legger Fish.

I remember when people said there were no Carp in the Mere, too. Thank goodness for deadbaits, eh ;-)

Did you ever get the legger 20, Paul ?

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#107057 - Re: taylor park st helens
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I never really looked at Taylor back then, I was fishing around Brum in 78/79.

Knowsley fished it later and tried to persuade me to fish it but I never did. I wrote an article about it in an old Carpworld - there was a picture looking through the railings. Funnily enough I remember going because I ran over the wife's foot reversing out!

I never got the Legger twenty - although I lost it at the net once. The lad I fished a lot with at the time young Gary (Pilkington?) had it at 22. Kev Dunne also had it at 22.

I do recollect catching the Half-Tail leather, an upper double common and The Football? I suspected the Taylor Italian was from legger.

Fat Ronnie was always seeing thirties, wherever he went. He was quite a character - and the St Helens group was like the mafia, with Fat Ronnie as the Don. I remember him describing a fish in a slide show he saw in a little pads water near Kirkby (can't remember the name - Golden Lion club?) as being 'as big as t'Honda seat.' And showing a picture of Gary Brandwood who he had fell out with and starting off by saying, 'see this bastard, when I catch up wi' 'im....!'

Is he still alive?

Gary of course tattered Redes last year or thereabouts.

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#107058 - Re: taylor park st helens
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I spoke to one of Ronnies old pals when I was fishing at Rainford recently. He tells me he is heavily into the neighbourhood watch scene in Parr. His agression is obviously being effectively channelled these days.

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#107059 - Re: taylor park st helens
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He'll need to be in Parr!

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#107060 - Re: taylor park st helens
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Made me smile lads. Thanks for the memories.

I have a pic of the italian when I had it at 13lb out of legger.

The fish in Taylor have certainly had their passports stamped a few times.

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#107061 - Re: taylor park st helens
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John, I did catch the twenty, I caught it 7 times actually. 22lb something, then 18lb something then 5 times between 17 and 18. The weight loss was when it was getting old and died a couple of years after this I think. I also had the half tail grey leather that Paul refers to on about 5 occasions biggest about 17lbs. I had the football, also known as the egg, only once, at 16lb something. I also had the orange spot about 4 times. I caught a few commons between 6 and 12lb that later went on to become twenties. I saw pictures of them at over twenty and when you compared them to the pictures I had from many years previous you could clearly tell they were the same.

I also had 'spot' out of the Paddock a few times up to about 15lb. I had the big one out of Mill Dam at about 13lb!!! that was big for Mill Dam.

Paul, do you remember fishing with a guy called Ian Pilkington? He was one of my fishing partners at the time and I remember one night you and he getting talking and you took him on a few trips to different places. You also lent me a Heron buzzer that night!!! You were fishing with someone called 'Big Bob' I think. I remember a couple of guys coming on that night with torches all over the place and Big Bob shouting across the Legger 'Who the f*** d'ya think you are, a f****** lighthouse keeper'.

Those were the days.

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#107062 - Re: taylor park st helens
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My Legger Twenty memory is quite amusing. It would have been about 1978, and all us local spezzies were on there with our T24s, after the 20. I had em going on trout pellet paste, ahead of my time, eh. From memory, the cast list would have been me, Paul Whittle, Ste Barker, Gaz Brandwood, Hermit, Dave Jones and probably a few others. A young kid, Andy, turns up one evening and pulls the twenty out on single maggot in front of our very eyes. Lo and behold, he turned up a few weeks later, with a scowl and two 11'6" Conolex rods and caught the bloody thing again !!

Paul, you caught it seven times ! Did you have no more permits ? Surely it wasnt for its looks !

And Singy, its ok going on about memories. Next time youre up for a wedding, bring a 36 with you ;-)

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#107063 - Re: taylor park st helens
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I had the legger 20, only it was called the old 20 when I had it. It weighed 18lb. It was one of the first carp I caught. I remember staying the night before in a tent in the back garden with my mate as it was going to be an early start and my folks did not want waking up.

The rods were strapped to the bike and we cycled to legger from Billinge. At the time I had a glass North Western 2lb tc 10 foot rod. I blagged a bag of floater cake of Dean Martin (not the singer )

I managed to get every fish in the place taking off the top, halfway along the piggy bank. Hours later and after missing what seemed like hundreds of takes, this huge fish latched onto my bait. 15 mins later and the fish wouldn't fit into my tiny net. A borrowed net later the fish was mine.

I always regret the fact that I was totally unprepared, no net, no camera and no pic of a pb that lasted for 5 years.

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#107064 - Re: taylor park st helens
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John, sounds like you were fishing there just before my time. I remember Paul Whittle and Dave Jones and the guy Andy, you mentioned, must have been Andy Hammond, he emigrated to Australia. I knew Andy cos he lived round the corner from me. Andy was the inspiration for me and my mates to also get converted to Carp fishing, particularly after he caught the twenty on maggot. He had rich parents so he became an instant overnight carp angler but it took me bloody years to get any good gear cos I was still at school then. I used to fish occasionally with Dave Jones younger brother Anthony along with Adrian Owen, Colin Harrison but mainly Ian Pilkington. The old twenty was the first fish I caught as well Singy.

Singy mentioning Dean Martin brings back some memories cos he had a car and neither me or my mates could even drive let alone buy a car. I went with him to Hawkstone Park for a couple of days fishing. The reason I caught the old twenty so many times was that it was the only place I could get to (apart from the Paddock as well). You must have been fishing there at the same time as me then Singy. I'd started there a few years before Dean Martin's appearance from Grey Mist.

Here's a list of names to add to John's from as far back as I can remember to see if it brings back any further memories:

Paul Greaves, Ken Greaves, Phil Lyon and Ste Potter (known as the brothers even though they are actually brothers-in-law, Phil became my regular fishing partner for many years), Lizard (could this be the same as Hermit, he used to spend most of his time fishing the Well on the legger and creeped around never talking to anyone), Joe Kilgannon, Paul Hutton, 'Bushy', 'Kirby John' (funniest character I've ever come across whilst fishing), Ste Knowles, 'Dubsy'.

Singy, did you fish with another guy? You were both tall, one was dark and the other was blonde. The blonde one still lives around St Helens because I play Snooker against him occasionally in local leagues. His name is also Paul but I've forgotten his second name.

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#107065 - Re: taylor park st helens
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I first spoke to you Paul on the canal in town. You were using cylinders and you showed me them

I'm not that tall so it was probably not me. Have a look here for what I look like now. Remember I was a green kid then

http://www.carp-angling.com/singy.htm

I used to fish with Hutton, and his mates and we became good mates. Then one of those dam motorbikes finished him off (like too many of my mates).

I mainly fished with Seffo on legger or alone (not that you were ever alone on legger ), he's still around town. I used to fish Carr Mill Dam most of the time though.

I still have one of Deans T24s it still comes out once in a while

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#107066 - Re: taylor park st helens
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So we have met then!! (can't remember you though I'm afraid, sorry) Crikey, I can't believe that I showed you those cylinders (I assume you are talking about the boilies I used to use). I was about as secretive as they come back then. I never used to talk to anyone that I hadn't known for years and was generally quite obnoxious really. It's a bit embarassing admitting what I used to be like back then but I thought that was what you had to do to retain an edge over everyone else.

Paul Hutton used to bug me no end when he first started fishing Legger cos I had probably fished there the longest of the regulars at that time. He used to pester me about bait and rigs and all sorts and I used to get well pissed off with him. After a while though we became good mates and fished together for a few years. Some of the stories I could tell you about what me and him got up to!! We lost touch for a few years and when I found out about his fatal motorbike accident I was gutted.

I then stopped fishing altogether. I remember one winter fishing on the pig bank bivvied up talking to Ste Knowles telling him how fed up I was with fishing. I'd just left University and had started work and I had completely done my head in with fishing. I was obsessed with it to be honest and didn't do anything else.

I made a clean break and sold all my gear. I only returned to fishing about 7 years later after I'd got married and settled down. I went back to the legger for tench (I'd vowed I wouldn't start carp fishing again) and caught a common of about 8lb first trip and I was converted all over again.

I don't fish St Helens waters anymore even though I still live there but have the occasional walk to Leg and Paddock. I fish Warrington Anglers and Prince Albert waters now.

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#107067 - Re: taylor park st helens
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it seems that you all must have fished with one another at some timeits a good job half of you arnt women,you would all be interbred by now.ps,thanks for the info

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#107068 - Re: taylor park st helens
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Jesus, Singy I didn't know you was one of us!

Paul, yes, Ian did fish with me all over the NW for a bit. The problem is when you fish as much as I do, and you have fished everywhere and you get old, you forget. You tend to just think about recent years and fishing.

Lovely memories prompted, folks, I remember many above, thank you.

The next time anyone here slags me off for being a lucky/privileged so and so - before you do remember, where I HAVE BEEN and came from. And I'm still the same.

RIP Paul Hutton. I miss him.

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Hermit was / is Gaz Johnson, still fishing. I remember Paul Greaves (titch), he still wanders on the legger occasionally I hear, not fishing. Something must still be stirring.
He belonged to the Kev Dunne, Eric Edwards, Sid Boulter era, who had all vanished just as we started on there. I graduated to the legger from luggy lane. We all started on Halsnead / Winsford Ocean in about 1979. I remember taking Gaz Brandwood to Halsnead and at that time he had not had a double figure common - how things move on !!

Unfortunately, I discovered drink / women and packed in for a few years. Missed the hair boom ! Great memories. I am off tommorrow and really am tempted to have a go on the Legger !!

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#107070 - Re: taylor park st helens
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John, the timings explain why we never met back then. Having said that, I was only a kid at the time and you and your mates probably would have had a good laugh at my gear etc. I remember Dave Jones was still fishing there for a couple of years round that time but he always used to ignore me. I pretty much started carping on legger in 79 and only had any success in 80. It was 81-82 when the hair (and boilies) became known about extensively on legger (several years behind other places probably). Those first years with the hair were absolutely brilliant and I can still remember some of the sessions I had. It was during that time that I had the old twenty on 5 of the occasions mentioned previously.

I've seen Titch a few times over the years and always say hello (we used to call him Guykwod, although I'm not sure why. One of my mates made it up!!). I never knew Lizard's real name so don't know if he is the same person.

Paul, you're right about the memories. It's great to think back to those times and all the friends (and enemies!) that I had then. Particularly as my current season is going from bad to worse, this has got to be my most unsuccessful start to a campaign that I've ever had. I've concluded that I'm not actually very good at catching Carp but just enjoy sitting there away from everything.

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I used to fish lugsmore lane and Legger in the 70s as a kid. We used to get the train up from Huyton and walk down to the lake I still remember catching a 3lb Tench from luggy ( no permit) and having no landing net having to beach it and thinking F**k me the size of it.
When fishing Legger ( no permits by the way) for anything, we used to see "carp anglers" and wonder why they would sit there all day catching nothing and have thier rods about 3ft high on banksticks. Pigs in the bushes!!
Also used to stay on the train to Shaw st and walk round to fish "the Hotties" and catch tropical fish.
Oh yea while on the subject when fishing Halsnead (no ticket) we also saw "carp anglers" and thought these fellas are too serious and we used to go round and ask a million questions and really p*ss them off, see one fella catch two decent carp one day though.
Have rod will travel eh, a Gladding Sealey aquarius 12ft float rod all glass which I still have.

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#107072 - Re: taylor park st helens
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Yo Rat Man! Tomo from the Rainford - incase you needed reminding!!

Taylor Park on t'internet !!

I fished tehre alot when I was at college and Uni. Its got fish from every corner of St. Helens inhabiting its merky depths now, and some have left the lake for pastures new.

As far as I know the Italian used to be in Legger - I netted for my brother from Legger once anyway (and put it back in Legger!).

The commons from Car Mill have been in for ages courtesy of Mr. S.

I think that on a good day it will have two twenties in it now, due to the departure of the mirror to Eccleston Mere. I dont recognise the names of people writing who fished there on this thread, I was there mainly in the early ninties...., Fished on Halsnead a few weeks with P Hutton before his accident (if thats the right time scale?).

Its worth giving it go for a day or two I guess...

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